Intense cop chest cam video of a shootout

[jlee]

i didnt say they shouldnt of shot him. Im just saying they didnt actually have any risk of injury in this encounter.

You can't calculate risk after the fact.

What's the distance the mic pics up on those things? Or did you have the set up where you wore a mic, and that was connected & synced wit the dash system?

I just worry about when cops are on street patrol. I know you were a good guy and all, but we have a lot of shit bags around the city where I live. They walk the streets at night patrolling. Obviously.. most are normal dudes, but I've seen a few abuse and arrest people when they didn't have to. None of that probably got recorded. I'm a law abiding guy but I get paranoid sometimes when I'm out in the city going bar to bar. I don't want it to ever be my word vs theirs.

I wore a mic.

 

[sandorski]

BB gun or not, it looked real enough and everything happened so suddenly there was no time to identify whether it was a BB gun. Dude certainly seemed to be trying to harm the Cops or at least turn the situation around where the Cops would be taking orders from him.

The guy didn't seem suicidal, I suspect he was drunk and just had the gun on him for general intimidation factor. Then being drunk he just made a bad choice at the worst possible time. Shortly after he whipped it out he seemed to realize he had made a colossal mistake and tried fleeing. Even if all this is true, the Cops pretty much had to make the decision they did. Rationality would be overcome with the need to survive and this dude certainly was acting dangerous.

 

[CoPhotoGuy]

That's the one. It was suicide by cop. The suspect's gun wasn't even real.

Uhh...looked like he shot him with a taser??

 

[Phanuel]

Uhh...looked like he shot him with a taser??

What? Have you ever fired a pistol before?

i didnt say they shouldnt of shot him. Im just saying they didnt actually have any risk of injury in this encounter.

So what should they have done instead oh wise one?

 

[CoPhotoGuy]

What? Have you ever fired a pistol before?

Yes...but without audio and small size it looked odd with the light and I guess that'a a laser sight?

 

[WackyDan]

i didnt say they shouldnt of shot him. Im just saying they didnt actually have any risk of injury in this encounter.

Losing an eye isn't a serious injury and career limiting?

 

[Phanuel]

Yes...but without audio and small size it looked odd with the light and I guess that'a a laser sight?

Combo unit light/laser.

 

[dr150]

Looks like a training video.

Where's the blood?

Officer shooting so quickly, reacting like Jessie James seems unrealistic.

 

[JSt0rm]

What? Have you ever fired a pistol before?



So what should they have done instead oh wise one?

Is english a second language? re-read my statement. I have no problem with the cops killing this guy.

 

[JSt0rm]

Losing an eye isn't a serious injury and career limiting?

Fucking lol. What are the chances of that?

 

[jlee]

Fucking lol. What are the chances of that?

Want someone to start shooting a BB gun at your face so you can find out? wtf...

 

[JSt0rm]

Want someone to start shooting a BB gun at your face so you can find out? wtf...

He didnt shoot the thing. MY only point was people using this as an example of how dangerous a cops job is are using a bad example. The cops were never in any danger.

 

[jlee]

He didnt shoot the thing. MY only point was people using this as an example of how dangerous a cops job is are using a bad example. The cops were never in any danger.

It's an excellent example. It shows how rapidly a situation can change, without being staged like a Simunitions training/etc.

 

[Sulaco]

It's an excellent example. It shows how rapidly a situation can change, without being staged like a Simunitions training/etc.

Careful.

You're arguing with Jst0rm. He's a forum-renowned expert in making an ass of himself.

 

[JSt0rm]

It's an excellent example. It shows how rapidly a situation can change, without being staged like a Simunitions training/etc.

ok but it still doesnt mean the cops were in danger. Now they can show a real death instead of those training videos. cool.

 

[JSt0rm]

Careful.

You're arguing with Jst0rm. He's a forum-renowned expert in making an ass of himself.

I have no idea who you are. sorry.

 

[Phanuel]

Is english a second language? re-read my statement. I have no problem with the cops killing this guy.

Apparently english is your second or third language.

Saying this;

The guy pulled a bb gun. So suicide by cops. They had the risk of getting a little welt.

And then becoming insulted and defensive when someone calls you out on your literal bullshit?

Or this now;

ok but it still doesnt mean the cops were in danger. Now they can show a real death instead of those training videos. cool.

Apparently you do have a problem with them defending themselves pro-actively from an identified threat at the time.

 

[JSt0rm]

you dumb shit.

I wrote this:

i didnt say they shouldnt of shot him. Im just saying they didnt actually have any risk of injury in this encounter.

then you wrote this:

So what should they have done instead oh wise one?
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I mean I cant even follow your 5 brain cells without laughing my ass off.

 

[Phanuel]

He pulled what was identified as a firearm and became a threat.

What do you want them to do?

Why can't you answer a straight question, ever?

 

[JSt0rm]

He pulled what was identified as a firearm and became a threat.

What do you want them to do?

Why can't you answer a straight question, ever?

I agree they should of shot him. God you are dense. I hope you aren't a cop because you will make poor decisions in the blink of an eye.

 

[JSt0rm]

and i always answer straight questions. Your questions are fucking stupid because you dont understand what this sentence means:

i didnt say they shouldnt of shot him.

And then demand I answer what they should do instead. :| Happy now? Spend more time on brain games and less reading things you dont understand.

 

[brianmanahan]

Is english a second language?

i didnt say they shouldnt of shot him.

"shouldn't have", not "shouldn't of"

 

[JSt0rm]

"shouldn't have", not "shouldn't of"

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[Phoenix86]

It's a fine line to walk...

Today
Also today

It is. I would never discount the risk they take every day, but it's impossible to ignore the over-reaching by some police and in some cases entire departments. Police bit the hand that feeds them (society). Treating citizens as revenue streams, over use of force, etc.

I also think some of the violence against police what we see today is a direct result of police actions in the past. That's by far no excuse for society, but it can be a reason.

I don't know how, but there has to be a switch officers flip when going into full on johnny law mode, it doesn't need to be on every minute of every day. I have seen police take an even hand with amazing results. Also, I very much respect and appreciate the need for swat and or use of force. It's needed in many situations.

One of the things I think we need to fix is the revenue stream issue. Police are not here to profit from society. The idea, written or implied, of a ticket quota goes against their function to society. Cops directly getting money from certain types of busts (civil forfeiture, drugs, etc) is just insane. City budgets depending on tickets to keep the budget even...

What did we expect when we setup such a system?

 

[brianmanahan]

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