Intel's Solution

[Vegitto]

What do you guys think about Intel's solution with their 'pin-problem'? I love it. Pins won't break, and you can order any tray CPU, and not worry about Fed-Ex or whatever delivery service you have breaking it. What do you guys think, should AMD use the same method?

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

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Ok. It is official I need sleep.

 

[Amplifier]

AMD RULEZ THEYRE PINS ARE #!

 

[stevty2889]

Yeah, there are no pins to break on the cpu, but the pins on the motherboard can break, and are much more fragile than the pins that were on the CPU's. I have never had a pin break on a cpu, the pins on my lga775 motherboard got bent during the second cpu installation, and were a lot more difficult to straiten out..

 

[The Pentium Guy]

Meh. Have you ever worke dwith SIPPS? SIPPS were a pain. (Single Inline <Something> <Something> <Something>, as opposed to DIMMS) and the pins would frequently break off.

 

[Lonyo]

All you need for the CPU to be safe is to have a fairly sturdy cardboard box, with the CPU pressed into some foam-type protective stuff.
Worked for my Barton OEM.

 

[Vegitto]

Yeah, well, it didn't work for one of the Sempron systems I built. Two broken pins, and I could pay for the shipping and handling so that they could replace it. Intel's solution seems much more handy and all. Motherboards come in good boxes, processors don't.

 

[Leper Messiah]

expect if you do frequent installs on the same mobo (e.g. enthusiast), you're screwed a bit. Intel rates the pins on the LGA 775 20-25 installs, max. Now, I've never put in a CPU 20 times, but the intel dudes who tested it were doing everything right, which most people don't do.

Basically, it put the blame, and money costs from Intel, to the mobo manufacturer, and the end user. :thumbsdown:

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Amplifier
AMD RULEZ THEYRE PINS ARE #!

?????????? Gotta love idiots.

Yes, just switched from LGA775 to 939 and miss the ease of installation. After upgrading my Intel system several times, I found the pinless cpu the best solution available. I never had any concerns about bending a pin on the mobo, the socket's frame is set-up where the cpu can only fall in correctly.

And what's more expensive to damage, cpu or motherboard? CPU

Edit: The poll should be open to those that have actually worked with both solutions. B/c we all know the AMD majority will say no. Too bad, they don't know what their missing.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Amplifier
AMD RULEZ THEYRE PINS ARE #!

?????????? Gotta love idiots.

Yes, just switched from LGA775 to 939 and miss the ease of installation. After upgrading my Intel system several times, I found the pinless cpu the best solution available. I never had any concerns about bending a pin on the mobo, the socket's frame is set-up where the cpu can only fall in correctly.

And what's more expensive to damage, cpu or motherboard? CPU

How hard is it to put in a CPU? 939's only go in one way too. I've never bent a pin on any CPU...well maybe one, but it was a 478 P4 that was sticking like hell to the HSFU, and it works fine sans a corner pin.

 

[theMan]

Originally posted by: Amplifier
AMD RULEZ THEYRE PINS ARE #!

its their not theyre.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: Vegitto
Yeah, well, it didn't work for one of the Sempron systems I built. Two broken pins, and I could pay for the shipping and handling so that they could replace it. Intel's solution seems much more handy and all. Motherboards come in good boxes, processors don't.

are you buying these from end users, or actual re-sellers? 'cause every re-seller package i've seen is one of those plastic cases with the foam inserts that do a good job of protecting the CPU.

and if it was end users, bad heat for crappy packaging

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h
expect if you do frequent installs on the same mobo (e.g. enthusiast), you're screwed a bit. Intel rates the pins on the LGA 775 20-25 installs, max. Now, I've never put in a CPU 20 times, but the intel dudes who tested it were doing everything right, which most people don't do.

Basically, it put the blame, and money costs from Intel, to the mobo manufacturer, and the end user. :thumbsdown:

End User? I hear more folks bending the pins on their CPUs than do I hear about bending a pin on a motherboard. If you bend a pin on an AMD cpu, does AMD rma it for free? No, incorrectly installed by END USER.

Like I mentioned earlier, what's more expensive to damage? Mobo or CPU?

 

[Vegitto]

I've had it with both end users, sellers and re-sellers. The post-people (AKA delivery boys) really suck in my country. They don't give a Shakespeare if your Ming vase arrives in one piece or in a thousand.

And, Capt. Caveman, I would like to make the poll available to users that have only worked with both, but how do I do that?

Also, all the fanboys in here, I did not start this topic because I love Intel/AMD. I just think that Intel's solution is great, and that the current leader (which is AMD, accept it) should follow this great idea. For the better of everyone.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Vegitto
I've had it with both end users, sellers and re-sellers. The post-people (AKA delivery boys) really suck in my country. They don't give a Shakespeare if your Ming vase arrives in one piece or in a thousand.

And, Capt. Caveman, I would like to make the poll available to users that have only worked with both, but how do I do that?

Also, all the fanboys in here, I did not start this topic because I love Intel/AMD. I just think that Intel's solution is great, and that the current leader (which is AMD, accept it) should follow this great idea. For the better of everyone.

You can't unfortunately, that's why you're going to get a lot of ignorant responses. Can you get the sellers you buy from to double package or something to protect your purchases better from the delivery boys? That sux.

 

[Vegitto]

Nope, I can't. There's no personal communication. I order from them because of their cheap prices, not because they have such good service. I only knew one that had good service as well as great prices, but they quit. All they have today is little fields where you can put in some text, and I always fill in something like "Please, be carefull this time." and they just ignore it. Tough luck.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h
expect if you do frequent installs on the same mobo (e.g. enthusiast), you're screwed a bit. Intel rates the pins on the LGA 775 20-25 installs, max. Now, I've never put in a CPU 20 times, but the intel dudes who tested it were doing everything right, which most people don't do.

Basically, it put the blame, and money costs from Intel, to the mobo manufacturer, and the end user. :thumbsdown:

End User? I hear more folks bending the pins on their CPUs than do I hear about bending a pin on a motherboard. If you bend a pin on an AMD cpu, does AMD rma it for free? No, incorrectly installed by END USER.

Like I mentioned earlier, what's more expensive to damage? Mobo or CPU?

Your first point is invaild, since the installed base of standard sockets is far larger than the installed base of 775 sockets.

Really, it depends. I've seen people with $200 mobos and $150 dollar CPU's, but I'll generally concede the point. However, its a bit eaiser to fix a bent CPU pin than the mobo pins.

(EDIT for clarity.)

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h
expect if you do frequent installs on the same mobo (e.g. enthusiast), you're screwed a bit. Intel rates the pins on the LGA 775 20-25 installs, max. Now, I've never put in a CPU 20 times, but the intel dudes who tested it were doing everything right, which most people don't do.

Basically, it put the blame, and money costs from Intel, to the mobo manufacturer, and the end user. :thumbsdown:

End User? I hear more folks bending the pins on their CPUs than do I hear about bending a pin on a motherboard. If you bend a pin on an AMD cpu, does AMD rma it for free? No, incorrectly installed by END USER.

Like I mentioned earlier, what's more expensive to damage? Mobo or CPU?

Your first point is invaild, since the installed base of standard sockets is far larger than the installed base of 775 sockets.

Really, it depends. I've seen people with $200 mobos and $150 dollar CPU's, but I'll generally concede the point. However, its a bit eaiser to fix a bent CPU pin than the mobo pins.

(EDIT for clarity.)

I agree. Luckily, I haven't had the misfortune on either. Knock on wood, I get my X2 4400+ today.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h
expect if you do frequent installs on the same mobo (e.g. enthusiast), you're screwed a bit. Intel rates the pins on the LGA 775 20-25 installs, max. Now, I've never put in a CPU 20 times, but the intel dudes who tested it were doing everything right, which most people don't do.

Basically, it put the blame, and money costs from Intel, to the mobo manufacturer, and the end user. :thumbsdown:

End User? I hear more folks bending the pins on their CPUs than do I hear about bending a pin on a motherboard. If you bend a pin on an AMD cpu, does AMD rma it for free? No, incorrectly installed by END USER.

Like I mentioned earlier, what's more expensive to damage? Mobo or CPU?

Your first point is invaild, since the installed base of standard sockets is far larger than the installed base of 775 sockets.

Really, it depends. I've seen people with $200 mobos and $150 dollar CPU's, but I'll generally concede the point. However, its a bit eaiser to fix a bent CPU pin than the mobo pins.

(EDIT for clarity.)

I agree. Luckily, I haven't had the misfortune on either. Knock on wood, I get my X2 4400+ today.

You guys all suck. What ever. When I start working full time I'll be keeping up with the jones'...

 

[Vegitto]

Hum-hum. So, anyone else got any idea on this?

 

[Jeff7]

I think the only time I ever bent a CPU pin was just out of clumsiness - banged it against a hard surface. I just used a fingernail to bend it straight.
With proper packaging, shipping damage shouldn't be a problem either, unless someone working for the carrier drops a large, 60 pound box on the small CPU shipping case, and outright crushes it. A motherboard wouldn't survive that either.

 

[Vegitto]

That's true, but don't you think even the biggest dumbass would be more carefull with a large box with pretty pictures on it, than with a small thingie with pins? I'd be.

 

[Avalon]

In my last setup, my board was more expensive than my CPU, and it was about as fast as the Venice and DFI NF4 Ultra I'm using now

 

[Vegitto]

Yes, Capt. Caveman's argument doesn't apply for everyone. But I believe it does in 90% of the cases.

 

[Sentential]

LGA775 is so much easier to deal with than S939. No more bent pins.