Intel's Insides

Genx87

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I for one look forward to seeing the ramifications of Nvidia calling Intels bluff on integrated chipsets. From what I can tell Intel owns a pair of 8s and Nvidia has a full house.

Can you imagine the destruction Nvidia can wreak if they get an injuction on Intels integrated graghics and larrabee?

AMD and Nvidia stock will go through the roof as they will have the only graphics option in town.
 

LOUISSSSS

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more nvidia bullshit.

do others agree with me that Intel is doing a fine job at pleasing its customers? they continually release newer, faster, cheaper tech regardless of AMD's products. Intel could've for all we know leave us with the Q series processors and not release i7 and still turn huge profits. AMD has no competition, but they released i5/i7 anyway to please the customers. the prices are very reasonable also!!!

nvidia on the other side doesn't release much new tech, and consumers are frowning upon them, at least i do. they dont do anything but start drama and stir up shit. nvidia throws some bullshit closed source physx at us that is barely useful. They re-badge their cards to trick uneducated buyers. they price gouge as much as they can, whenever they can.

do you guys kind of feel the same way?
 

akugami

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I for one look forward to seeing the ramifications of Nvidia calling Intels bluff on integrated chipsets. From what I can tell Intel owns a pair of 8s and Nvidia has a full house.

Can you imagine the destruction Nvidia can wreak if they get an injuction on Intels integrated graghics and larrabee?

AMD and Nvidia stock will go through the roof as they will have the only graphics option in town.

I'd say it's more like nVidia has Pocket Rockets while Intel has a pair of 8's. It's all going to depend on the flop, turn, and river. I would not be surprised to see Intel come out on top nor will I be surprised if nVidia comes out on top.

Don't forget that a company as large as Intel has a ton of IP's stocked up, as does any large corporation in today's business climate. It wouldn't surprise me if Intel holds a critical piece of IP that nVidia uses. While nVidia may have a lot of IP's as well don't be surprised to see this settled out of court, Intel winning, or nVidia winning.
 

zmatt

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Intel has much more resources on hand. if it came down to a fight between Intel and Nvidia, Intel could just spend them into oblivion. Compared to Intel, Nvidia is a tiny company.

Although clever, the cartoon doesn't mean much in the long run. Right now Nvidia is hurting. They don't have Fermi out and they have ramped down production on GT200. ATI is essentially left without competition in the high end graphics sector. Their mid range offerings aren't that great either. As newer ATI cards come to replace the 4770 and 4830 Nvidia will be between a rock and hard place. Their biggest saving grace is that ATI also has to deal with low yields. Of course any problems ATI has are nothing compared to what Nvidia will experience due to their large die size. They need to get a product out and fast. They have to reassure their stock holders and user base before their reputation takes some more hits. I just hope that their "solution" isn't yet another G92 re-badge.
 
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nitromullet

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more nvidia bullshit.

do others agree with me that Intel is doing a fine job at pleasing its customers? they continually release newer, faster, cheaper tech regardless of AMD's products. Intel could've for all we know leave us with the Q series processors and not release i7 and still turn huge profits. AMD has no competition, but they released i5/i7 anyway to please the customers. the prices are very reasonable also!!!

Tell that to people that bought i7 a year ago... Yes, Nahelem is some great tech, but Intel is taking it's own sweet time due to a lack of real competition. Do you really think it would have taken Intel almost a year to launch P55 after X58 if AMD was kicking ass?
 

Cookie Monster

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more nvidia bullshit.

do others agree with me that Intel is doing a fine job at pleasing its customers? they continually release newer, faster, cheaper tech regardless of AMD's products. Intel could've for all we know leave us with the Q series processors and not release i7 and still turn huge profits. AMD has no competition, but they released i5/i7 anyway to please the customers. the prices are very reasonable also!!!

nvidia on the other side doesn't release much new tech, and consumers are frowning upon them, at least i do. they dont do anything but start drama and stir up shit. nvidia throws some bullshit closed source physx at us that is barely useful. They re-badge their cards to trick uneducated buyers. they price gouge as much as they can, whenever they can.

do you guys kind of feel the same way?

Not really.

i7 was mainly intended for the server market, not the desktop. Because AMD were still competitive in the server side of things and Intel needed something new to actually try and beat them since it was obvious that the FSB architecture couldn't do it.

Anyway, let me tell you just how "pleasing" Intel has been to us consumers. Firstly, they wont allow netbooks to be equipped with dual core atoms. They still bundle atoms with 4~5 year old IGP/SB chipsets and try to force big OEMs not to choose ION over their chipsets because of price. This also applies to desktop intel IGPs.

They also delayed USB3.0 til 2011. Why? Because i5/i7s chipset only supports USB2.0 (and only been recently released) and as soon as USB3.0 hits, no one will want to buy P55 chipsets.
 

jvroig

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more nvidia bullshit.

do others agree with me that Intel is doing a fine job at pleasing its customers? they continually release newer, faster, cheaper tech regardless of AMD's products. Intel could've for all we know leave us with the Q series processors and not release i7 and still turn huge profits. AMD has no competition, but they released i5/i7 anyway to please the customers. the prices are very reasonable also!!!

nvidia on the other side doesn't release much new tech, and consumers are frowning upon them, at least i do. they dont do anything but start drama and stir up shit. nvidia throws some bullshit closed source physx at us that is barely useful. They re-badge their cards to trick uneducated buyers. they price gouge as much as they can, whenever they can.

do you guys kind of feel the same way?
No, not exactly. I'm not siding with Nvidia or Intel here. But the way you described Intel there is as if they were a saintly company, out for our best interests. It just isn't so, in my opinion. They're a business and they are out for their best interests, which may not necessarily be ours (antitrust, anybody?).
 

LOUISSSSS

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of course intel is still on top right now, which means they have the upper hand in how/what to release to the market. but they are more "fair" than nvidia IMO. $600 8800gtx? $600 6800ultra? thats ass raping. Intel's i7's are super fast compared to whats out in the market, but at the same time they are very affordable.

intel hasn't needed to BS its way out of scenarios where they're called on their bluff. nvidia BS's physx 24/7. ITS NOT THAT IMPORTANT!

anyway, intel isn't a saint, they're a business out for profit, but they're not the ones acting childish like nvidia right now drawing up cartoons when they should be making video cards. How about we have those artists start to design the heatsink sticker for the upcoming cards so nvidia has something to show. how about it?
 

PingviN

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of course intel is still on top right now, which means they have the upper hand in how/what to release to the market. but they are more "fair" than nvidia IMO. $600 8800gtx? $600 6800ultra? thats ass raping. Intel's i7's are super fast compared to whats out in the market, but at the same time they are very affordable.

intel hasn't needed to BS its way out of scenarios where they're called on their bluff. nvidia BS's physx 24/7. ITS NOT THAT IMPORTANT!

http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-10390568-264.html
http://arstechnica.com/hardware/new...-fines-intel-for-anticompetitive-behavior.ars
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2346980,00.asp

If there is one company I would consider the devil, it would be Intel. Sure, Nvidia draws a cartoon, but Intel pays OEM to delay release of it's competitors products. I really prefer the cartoons over Intels ways of dealing with its competition.
 

Painman

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This is almost as pathetic as the GOP posting cartoons of Obama dressed up in a Masai costume.
 

Genx87

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more nvidia bullshit.

do others agree with me that Intel is doing a fine job at pleasing its customers? they continually release newer, faster, cheaper tech regardless of AMD's products. Intel could've for all we know leave us with the Q series processors and not release i7 and still turn huge profits. AMD has no competition, but they released i5/i7 anyway to please the customers. the prices are very reasonable also!!!

nvidia on the other side doesn't release much new tech, and consumers are frowning upon them, at least i do. they dont do anything but start drama and stir up shit. nvidia throws some bullshit closed source physx at us that is barely useful. They re-badge their cards to trick uneducated buyers. they price gouge as much as they can, whenever they can.

do you guys kind of feel the same way?

What are you talking about? Nvidia just released Tegra and Ion. Intel needed i5\i7 to wipe the multi socket advantage Operton had and increase their lead on the desktop.
 

Genx87

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I'd say it's more like nVidia has Pocket Rockets while Intel has a pair of 8's. It's all going to depend on the flop, turn, and river. I would not be surprised to see Intel come out on top nor will I be surprised if nVidia comes out on top.

Don't forget that a company as large as Intel has a ton of IP's stocked up, as does any large corporation in today's business climate. It wouldn't surprise me if Intel holds a critical piece of IP that nVidia uses. While nVidia may have a lot of IP's as well don't be surprised to see this settled out of court, Intel winning, or nVidia winning.

Well realistically given Intels track record in court. I think a settlement will happen.
 

Genx87

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Intel has much more resources on hand. if it came down to a fight between Intel and Nvidia, Intel could just spend them into oblivion. Compared to Intel, Nvidia is a tiny company.

Although clever, the cartoon doesn't mean much in the long run. Right now Nvidia is hurting. They don't have Fermi out and they have ramped down production on GT200. ATI is essentially left without competition in the high end graphics sector. Their mid range offerings aren't that great either. As newer ATI cards come to replace the 4770 and 4830 Nvidia will be between a rock and hard place. Their biggest saving grace is that ATI also has to deal with low yields. Of course any problems ATI has are nothing compared to what Nvidia will experience due to their large die size. They need to get a product out and fast. They have to reassure their stock holders and user base before their reputation takes some more hits. I just hope that their "solution" isn't yet another G92 re-badge.

AMD has been very successsful against Intel in the court system with far less resources.
 

Meghan54

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You are shockingly delusional on this point.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115212


As are you if you're trying to show the Extreme Edition of an Intel processor in any way represents the entire line's pricing. BTW...the extreme editions have ALWAYS been that price, and vastly overpriced.

But, to counter your stupid link, I give these:

http://www.microcenter.com/single_pr...uct_id=0302727

http://www.microcenter.com/single_pr...uct_id=0317379

How's them apples for you? $199 Core i7 920 and $149 Core i5 750.

Sorry, did I hear your bubble burst?
 

exar333

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more nvidia bullshit.

do others agree with me that Intel is doing a fine job at pleasing its customers? they continually release newer, faster, cheaper tech regardless of AMD's products. Intel could've for all we know leave us with the Q series processors and not release i7 and still turn huge profits. AMD has no competition, but they released i5/i7 anyway to please the customers. the prices are very reasonable also!!!

nvidia on the other side doesn't release much new tech, and consumers are frowning upon them, at least i do. they dont do anything but start drama and stir up shit. nvidia throws some bullshit closed source physx at us that is barely useful. They re-badge their cards to trick uneducated buyers. they price gouge as much as they can, whenever they can.

do you guys kind of feel the same way?

I agree. :)
 

Idontcare

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Well realistically given Intels track record in court. I think a settlement will happen.

I was reading thru this thread to see if I needed to make this point or if someone else had already, as you did.

Yes it is true, surprisingly for as deep of pockets as Intel has if you do go and look at their track record when it comes to lawsuits they actually have a pretty piss-poor record on these things.

The web-domain, Intelsinsides.com, we could probably countdown the days before the imminent domain suit is filed against NV by Intel. That was just silly of them to register a domain with Intel's name in it, that's a gimme for being transferred to Intel right quick.

Ad for the chipset debacle...I am really curious to see if we ever learn of the real reasoning on Intel's side for pushing such a lawsuit in the first place.

If the trajectory of the technology path was already setup to essentially make obsolete the opportunity for third-party chipset makers anyways then why would Intel care if Nvidia pissed away resources making southbridge chipsets for another decade and selling them for a buck? There was no money to be made for Intel by Intel making this move to block NV from producing QPI/DMI chipsets.

So what was Intel's motivation to make the move to block NV? I can't help but wonder if Intel is concerned that if NV had an established right to produce QPI/DMI chipsets and they were to somehow finagle their way into securing an x86 license then Intel would be looking at the prospects of NV releasing their own x86 compatible CPU's capable of operating on Intel's own platform (drastically reducing the barrier to entry for Nvidia should they try and make an entry into the x86 marketspace).

Remember this was a HUGE deal for Intel and AMD back in the Socket 7 days, Intel was quite incensed at the fact that everybody and their brother (from IDT to Cyrix to AMD) could produce a x86 cpu that could be dropped into a socket 7 mobo and leverage the pre-existing infrastructure that lowers the cost per mobo in that scenario.

So I am thinking, certainly can't rule it out, that just maybe the deal here with Intel caring to shut-off Nvidia's access to an already withering and dying product market is really a move to ensure they don't have to deal with Nvidia releasing CPU's that can be dropped into X58/P55 (or future generations) motherboards in a few years should NV come by an x86 license somehow in the meantime.

(how could they secure such a license? it could easily be a matter of being forced by the legal system as a matter of anti-trust resolution...consider how the DOJ required both Intel and Samsung to source the Alpha processor when Compaq bought DEC...these things happen, it is quite plausible)
 

Martimus

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I have to say that I am amazed that nVidia published these. Is it possible someone else published them but put the nVidia logo at the bottom? I don't see that as very likely either, but the fact so many of these comics were published seems unlikely as well for a company like nVidia.
 
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Idontcare

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I have to say that I am amazed that nVidia published these. Is it possible someone else published them but put the nVidia logo at the bottom? I don't see that as very likely either, but the fact so many of these comics were published seems unlikely as well for a company like nVidia.

Martimus, the whois results are pretty damning unless someone went to the trouble of spoofing nvidia servers and nvidia hasn't realized it since July:

Domain Name: intelsinsides.com
Created on..............: 2009-07-10
Expires on..............: 2010-07-10

Technical Contact:
Domain Discreet
ATTN: intelsinsides.com
Rua Dr. Brito Camara, n 20, 1
Funchal, Madeira 9000-039
PT
Phone: 1-902-7495331
Email: a987d6810a14115101bfe1372e6b6dd7@domaindiscreet.com

DNS Servers:
dns2.nvidia.com
dns1.nvidia.com
dns3.nvidia.com

Registry Status: clientTransferProhibited

http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=intelsinsides.com&prog_id=godaddy
 

Meghan54

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I have to say that I am amazed that nVidia published these. Is it possible someone else published them but put the nVidia logo at the bottom? I don't see that as very likely either, but the fact so many of these comics were published seems unlikely as well for a company like nVidia.


Well, since the site the cartoons are being publised on is hosted on nvidia servers, I think there is some connection.
 

Idontcare

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I like the one with Otellini sitting on Larrabee bombs.

That screwed that one, should have been Gelsinger jumping out of a flaming diving airplane labeled "Larrabee Airlines" while weaing a parachute bearing EMC's logo.
 

GodisanAtheist

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As are you if you're trying to show the Extreme Edition of an Intel processor in any way represents the entire line's pricing. BTW...the extreme editions have ALWAYS been that price, and vastly overpriced.

But, to counter your stupid link, I give these:

http://www.microcenter.com/single_pr...uct_id=0302727

http://www.microcenter.com/single_pr...uct_id=0317379

How's them apples for you? $199 Core i7 920 and $149 Core i5 750.

Sorry, did I hear your bubble burst?

-???

You used a top end Nvidia card and drew... some kind of conclusion out of that, so he countered with a top end Intel chip that was grossly overpriced and... I'm just not getting you.

Here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130509

A cheap Nvidia card.

What, were you saying everything Nvidia released was $600?

Hell, Nvidia is probably better justified in the pricing scheme of their Ultras than Intel is with their EE, seeing the delta values between mainstream parts and the cream of the crop.

And I'm sitting here with an HD 4850. Just because you own one company's card doesn't mean you have to throw logic and rationale out the window...