Question Intel's future after Pat Gelsinger

[Thunder 57]

"AMD Ryzen AI PRO processors are now powering Dell's new commercial PC lineup. This marks the first time that Dell is offering a full portfolio of commercial PCs, including notebooks, desktops, and workstations, based entirely on Ryzen processors. "

Intel has always incentivized, and when needed, strongarmed partners to remain exclusive. If not in actuality, certainly in the practical sense.

OK, I get that. It's also why I said Opteron in particular. The Athlon 64's were probably just a token effort. Honestly, Dell should get bent for taking Intel money to blacklist AMD. At least HP & Compaq tried back then but the pressure from Intel was probably strong.

 

[Io Magnesso]

"AMD Ryzen AI PRO processors are now powering Dell's new commercial PC lineup. This marks the first time that Dell is offering a full portfolio of commercial PCs, including notebooks, desktops, and workstations, based entirely on Ryzen processors. "

Intel has always incentivized, and when needed, strongarmed partners to remain exclusive. If not in actuality, certainly in the practical sense.

Indeed, Dell has adopted AMD products for companies. I don't think all corporate products are now AMD products.

 

[Io Magnesso]

Therefore

"Customers are giving Intel failing grades, Tan said"

That speaks volumes. It's why Dell finally started doing real biz with AMD.

That's why Intel has to go bankrupt in order to settle the bill.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I don't think all corporate products are now AMD products.

Of course not. It is breaking through the Intel imposed shutout for the first time ever that is historic.

 

[Io Magnesso]

Of course not. It is breaking through the Intel imposed shutout for the first time ever that is historic.

That's right, a fierce battle will begin on corporate PCs from now on.
Well, that's a good thing competition is

 

[DAPUNISHER]

OK, I get that. It's also why I said Opteron in particular. The Athlon 64's were probably just a token effort. Honestly, Dell should get bent for taking Intel money to blacklist AMD. At least HP & Compaq tried back then but the pressure from Intel was probably strong.

Always has been. But Intel can't afford it anymore. And rapture lake sealed the deal. Look at the mass layoffs and biz issues Dell has been experiencing. Part of that was the failing CPUs.

Well, that's a good thing competition is

Exactly. Do you think we could get a 265K for 259$ if AMD were not winning the latest rounds in this decades long fight?

 

[Io Magnesso]

Always has been. But Intel can't afford it anymore. And rapture lake sealed the deal. Look at the mass layoffs and biz issues Dell has been experiencing. Part of that was the failing CPUs.

…？Why Will Intel's CPU problems cut DELL personnel?

 

[Io Magnesso]

I don't know what that means
Will the cause of Dell's mass dismissal lead to Intel?

 

[DrMrLordX]

…？Why Will Intel's CPU problems cut DELL personnel?

Dell sells a PC with a faulty Raptor Lake in it
Customer complains
Dell must either: a). service the faulty PC, paying labor while Intel provides replacement parts, b). replace the faulty PC, eating pretty much the entire cost themselves, or c). tell the customer to pound sand and risk losing future sales.

Enough of that happens and heads will roll.

 

[Io Magnesso]

Dell sells a PC with a faulty Raptor Lake in it
Customer complains
Dell must either: a). service the faulty PC, paying labor while Intel provides replacement parts, b). replace the faulty PC, eating pretty much the entire cost themselves, or c). tell the customer to pound sand and risk losing future sales.

Enough of that happens and heads will roll.

Well, countermeasures are required
I think Intel has to take the warranty of the CPU even if it is made by the manufacturer.

 

[Io Magnesso]

Always has been. But Intel can't afford it anymore. And rapture lake sealed the deal. Look at the mass layoffs and biz issues Dell has been experiencing. Part of that was the failing CPUs.

Exactly. Do you think we could get a 265K for 259$ if AMD were not winning the latest rounds in this decades long fight?

It's a retraction of the previous statement
After all, Intel must go bankrupt
AMD never corrupts

 

[DrMrLordX]

Well, countermeasures are required
I think Intel has to take the warranty of the CPU even if it is made by the manufacturer.

Intel has their own arrangement with Dell and is (probably) on the hook to replace faulty parts. But Intel isn't (necessarily) on the hook for the costs associated with those component replacements. Plus if you're a customer who has to send in an entire PC to get a replacement part, you're not going to be happy!

Now imagine being forced to process hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of extra claims because of Raptor Lake. That's a lot of scratch Dell loses because Intel sold them a bum steer.

 

[Io Magnesso]

Intel has their own arrangement with Dell and is (probably) on the hook to replace faulty parts. But Intel isn't (necessarily) on the hook for the costs associated with those component replacements. Plus if you're a customer who has to send in an entire PC to get a replacement part, you're not going to be happy!

Now imagine being forced to process hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of extra claims because of Raptor Lake. That's a lot of scratch Dell loses because Intel sold them a bum steer.

Is that Raptor Lake a Raptor Lake-S?

 

[Joe NYC]

"AMD Ryzen AI PRO processors are now powering Dell's new commercial PC lineup. This marks the first time that Dell is offering a full portfolio of commercial PCs, including notebooks, desktops, and workstations, based entirely on Ryzen processors. "

Intel has always incentivized, and when needed, strongarmed partners to remain exclusive. If not in actuality, certainly in the practical sense.

It seems that Intel is still paying a mammoth portion of OEM's advertisement spending (including Dell). We will see if this is sustainable (for Intel) or if it changes...

 

[DrMrLordX]

Is that Raptor Lake a Raptor Lake-S?

-S or -HX, which I believe were the only ones to have problems.

 

[Io Magnesso]

-S or -HX, which I believe were the only ones to have problems.

Even with an S, it's true that it's the top models with 600 or higher i5s that are mainly confirmed.
I've never heard of a model below that
Perhaps because of the high clock, I feel that the percentage of the number of SKUs with K is high.
I've heard that HX also has a problem.

 

[deasd]

Intel is laying off engineers who were developing Diamond Rapids

https://twitter.com/x/status/1943889143530230160

 

[jpiniero]

Yah that was what I was getting at. Tan is gutting the rest of the company to extend the life of the foundry an extra year or two.

 

[Io Magnesso]

Intel is laying off engineers who were developing Diamond Rapids

https://twitter.com/x/status/1943889143530230160

That is fabulous
Actually, I also had information that Diamond Rapids was canceled.

 

[Joe NYC]

That is fabulous
Actually, I also had information that Diamond Rapids was canceled.

I don't think that's true, but there was a rumor that it is delayed.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Intel is laying off engineers who were developing Diamond Rapids

That's worse than when BK got rid of the verification team, ultimately hurting Sapphire Rapids.

 

[Io Magnesso]

That's worse than when BK got rid of the verification team, ultimately hurting Sapphire Rapids.

That's why DIAMOND RAPIDS has been discontinued.

 

[Io Magnesso]

When I was criticizing Intel with Reddit, I got a warning from the Reddit administrator.
I'm doing justice, It's been deleted though
It's outrageous

I don't know what you think the constant vendor bashing will accomplish, but it isn't having the effect you were hoping for. We are getting report after report by other members concerning these posts. That by definition makes it flame bait and trolling. Please desist. In the dojo we have a saying - "The nail that sticks out gets hammered down." I am giving you a one day ban to calm down. Instead of ranting and raving constantly, try forwarding the discussions by contributing intellectually instead of emotionally.

Mod DAPUNISHER.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

A number of Intel employees discussing the layoffs in this thread. Prospects are not looking good at the moment. Moving to cheaper overseas labor is a bold move Cotton...

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/1ly88mj/intel_bombshell_chipmaker_will_lay_off_2400

 

[Io Magnesso]

A number of Intel employees discussing the layoffs in this thread. Prospects are not looking good at the moment. Moving to cheaper overseas labor is a bold move Cotton...

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/1ly88mj/intel_bombshell_chipmaker_will_lay_off_2400

that's a great thing