Intel's East Fork

[shabby]

Ooooh i dont like this, intel and microsoft are a bunch of sellouts.

http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1811/

 

[Hacp]

... AMD has this tooo

 

[batmanuel]

Unfortunately this is the way that MS and Intel (and even AMD) are going to have to play the game if we ever want to see HDTV content on our computers. Intel and MS know that the future of computing is going to be HiDef Media Center computers - I even suspect that at least the home version of Vista will likely have all the features of MCE standard. Without this DRM in place, none of the content creators will ever allow HD content on the PC.

I hate giving up fair use rights, but then again I want to be able to eventually build a HTPC that will be able to plug into my cable and record television programming with the same ease that my Comcast PVR does.

 

[Stoneburner]

why'd they cancel the Live action version of the tick? or the cartoon?

 

[batmanuel]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
why'd they cancel the Live action version of the tick? or the cartoon?

They cancelled the live action version because it was on Fox. The Fox network has the amazing ability to produce some really nice shows, stick them in an awful time slot and then cancel them after a few episodes. I could personally never figure out when the Tick live action show was going to be on. They'd show an episode, preempt it for a few weeks, show another episode in a different time slot, etc. You have to have a TiVo to catch most Fox shows. Firefly, Wonderfalls and Greg the Bunny are some other examples of short lived Fox shows that died before their time and have risen from the grave to some extent. I mean, they cancelled the Family Guy! How stupid can you be?

The weird thing is that the same corporation owns FX, a cable network that really knows how to nurture really cutting edge shows like Rescue Me, Nip/Tuck and the Shield. Even the new Starved show is prett good. "It's not okay."

But I digress.

 

[n7]

I still can't believe this BS :|

WTF gives them the right to force new monitors & hardware & Vista down our throats just so we can listen to music or watch movies.

Absolutely infuriating :frown:

 

[Hacp]

They have no right to do so. But the content creators do have the right to decide what kind of platform their Media should launch in. If you want to See HDTV movies on a computer, you need a new monitor. Kind of like if you want to see a DVD Movie, you need a DVD player....

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Ah man this ticks me off!!!!!!!!!!! Well just think about it. If they get unruly. We simply DO NOT have to stand for it. If they gonna pull this BS, then boycott. If they need money so bad, then simply show them that we can live without their movies easier than they can live without our money. Before you know it they would have to revert. LONG LIVE LINUX. SCREW WINDOWS!!!!. Piece of BS!!!! I WILL excersise my right. Once I purchase something with MY MONEY, I expect to be able to do whatever the hell I want with it. And Intel, AMD, and Microsoft can hear me right now, that I will get a VIA processor running Linux before I EVER surrender my rights for my purchased media to them!!! CAN I GET AN HORAH?!

 

[Hacp]

Lol how did Linux and Windows get into this???????? You can't watch HDTV movies on Linux if it doesn't have the monitor and appropriate software also. If you don't watch those kinds of movies, then you don't need a new monitor..

 

[n7]

D00d, that's the issue.

Linux will not be able to play the music/movies we want, since it's not a "secure OS" :|

 

[Pabster]

LOL there is no such thing as a "secure" OS

 

[n7]

That's not what i was referring to.

I meant that in reference to future multimedia content requiring Vista to be playable...

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
Ah man this ticks me off!!!!!!!!!!! Well just think about it. If they get unruly. We simply DO NOT have to stand for it. If they gonna pull this BS, then boycott. If they need money so bad, then simply show them that we can live without their movies easier than they can live without our money. Before you know it they would have to revert. LONG LIVE LINUX. SCREW WINDOWS!!!!. Piece of BS!!!! I WILL excersise my right. Once I purchase something with MY MONEY, I expect to be able to do whatever the hell I want with it. And Intel, AMD, and Microsoft can hear me right now, that I will get a VIA processor running Linux before I EVER surrender my rights for my purchased media to them!!! CAN I GET AN HORAH?!

I said can I get a HORAH?!

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
Ah man this ticks me off!!!!!!!!!!! Well just think about it. If they get unruly. We simply DO NOT have to stand for it. If they gonna pull this BS, then boycott. If they need money so bad, then simply show them that we can live without their movies easier than they can live without our money. Before you know it they would have to revert. LONG LIVE LINUX. SCREW WINDOWS!!!!. Piece of BS!!!! I WILL excersise my right. Once I purchase something with MY MONEY, I expect to be able to do whatever the hell I want with it. And Intel, AMD, and Microsoft can hear me right now, that I will get a VIA processor running Linux before I EVER surrender my rights for my purchased media to them!!! CAN I GET AN HORAH?!

I said can I get a HORAH?!

No...

 

[thecoolnessrune]

FINE! THEN I"LL STORM THE BUILDINGS WITH MY OWN ARMY OF FREAKISH ANDROIDS!!!

Can I get a Horah for good luck? Or a Horah for my above post???? I got a

 

[Intelia]

If you didn't just buy a new system its no big deal . If you just bought or built its SORRY CHARLIE LOL

 

[thecoolnessrune]

I guess I'm not getting a Horah. Damn, I thought people would be raving with horah's! I got cookies gosh darnit!

 

[Intelia]

Its funny i never gamed much . I download fear and i well tell you something as these games get better. And 2x better pc's and graphics . pro sports movies and a lot of other things are going to be hurting, these new 3D displays that were just announced . say good bye to prosports at least the million dollar contracts and movie stars their going to be hurting units i love fear its great and its going to get better.

 

[webley]

DRM protected content allows them to control exactly how this content is used, distributed, and above all, can be tracked right down to the individual end user. DRM protected content is protected by an elaborate encryption scheme and can only be unlocked and played back if you follow and adhere to the requirements set forth by the producer exactly.

This sounds like it's guaranteed to cause big headaches to even legitimate media users. Suppose you want to play a song on each one of your computers. Are the corporations really going to keep track of every media device and computer you own or will they only let you play it on one computer that they allow you to use? I bet there will be playback problems for everyone and problems getting each piece of media "allowed" on each media device. Once I buy a movie or music CD, I'd like to think I can just use it without issues whenever I want without error messages on any computer I own. I guess you can't take a DVD you own to a friends house to watch either. This extreme big brother control scheme from MS-Intel-(AMD?)-(monitor/hardware makers?) sounds like a very sad day for our ownership rights.

I don't understand how this would work practically. Would it be like XP where you have to phone or internet connect to activate every single DVD or music CD you buy and tie it to one hardware configuration or serialized hardware? I sure hope the Supreme Court can check this DRM technology for "Fair Use" compliance and other anti-consumer problems including privacy if that could help prevent an information tragedy from being inflicted on our free country beginning next year.

How will older media still work if this technology is designed to defeat bitwise copies of it? Will we suddenly lose the use on our computers of our entire collections of older DVDs and CDs that we have fully paid for?? If they follow through with this, the computer certainly won't be the wonderful media center that was hoped for. I expect consumer reception and adoption (hint hint DRM consortium) won't go very well at all for the purveyors of such a tragic technology.

 

[Novercalis]

Alright, let me know if im wrong:

You Need Vista, Monitor to watch the new context next year.
But my question is: Those Context be ripped, FRAPS from a LEGIT USER than distribute the drm-free ones?
Can you still get DVD that comes out form NextFlix, BLockbuster, your local Video store, RIP IT than distribute?

Vista in itself, Im sure the coding is simplified that someone will find out what files are triggered, and all we need to do is manipulate it, or bypass.
Example: A game, you can either click on the shortcut desktop icon which triggers "name-of-game.exe"

however, when a new update occurs, if you dont want to update and still play, your able to look for "name-of-game.bin" open with "name-of-game.bin" and wallah, your in with the old version.

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Yes we are screwed with the context to be playable but if we can get the context first to upload, via other means outside of the PC aspect, they are still screwed.
Music - Someone buys it legit as always, Uploads the context and shares it with the rest.
Now if the CD is already coded, the same people who figured out how to bypass Blockbuster dvd to be ripped will find a way to take CD and rip them again.


you can never win a hacker. This will be one of thier biggest and favorite challenge when its introduce.
HELL, the APPLE, "MACTEL" OS-X development kit has been leaked and about 2 weeks ago, has been hacked and the OSX was running on a normal PC version.

ALL IN ALL.. WE, the Users who knows about this, Needs to spread the word.
To Our Friends, Buy a White T-Shirt and "Say No to DRM"
or other remarks.
Call your local free newspaper people. Give them this story.
LA Weekly, Miami "NewTimes" "City STreet" etc etc those free newspaper, usually on Thursday... Call THEM, TELL THEM THE STORY!!!
thats one of our rights and way to Educate the people.
Even mainstream Media, try and get a hold of a news reporter. Fill him/her with the info, PERSUADE that person, because we all know are Computer Knowledge to an extent and have childrens who would know about downloading freebies etc, that this will cost them alot of money.
When they know thier kid could, at the time was able to get it free.

 

[Keysplayr]

Nobody realizes just how much power the mass public has. If there was a movie going/music buying boycott for a year, Alka Seltzer stock would shoot through the roof as the execs at the RIAA/MPAA would need every last tablet.

Their greed should be dealt with. And they should pay dearly for it.

Lets just say I was able to start a national boycott like this. And it gained momentum. How long do you think it would be until a hitman comes knocking at my door?

 

[batmanuel]

Today's announcement of the Intel VIIV media center certification program just drives home what I was saying about East Fork. It would be hard for Intel and AMD to NOT put this technology into their next gen platforms. Media Centers are going to become huge in the next few years if they become capable of handling HD content. If they don't start kissing a lot of butt for the content creators, this isn't going to happen.

East Fork is pretty nasty stuff, but I can't fault Intel for adding it to their next gen platforms. It just makes good business sense to play nice with the studios. Hopefully what will happen is that while the big studios waste their time locking everything up with DRM and pissing off their customers, it will give an opportunity of for the small guys to start distributing their stuff independly with less restrictive protection. If the big studios keep feeding us teh same crap and not imporving their product, while the independents are able to create their stuff more and more cheaply as the home video and audio production technology matures they will eventually start taking over the market. Especially if they build their following by people sharing their unprotected works widely, while the locked down big studio material doesn't get the same word of mouth advertising.

 

[Dadofamunky]

I think Batmanuel's got a point. It's not as if we didn't have warning that this was coming. Hey - no one HAS to buy "Windows Yugo" or whatever they call it. Frankly, I'm set for computing power for a few years and have no need to do another system build for quite some time. This is one reason why I won't use Windows XP. Since I'm not a gamer, I could really care less.

The whole thing could also tank. It could be the next Go Computing boondoggle. One thing you can count on, there will be bugs galore on the new platform when it's released and not only will it take several tries for them to get it semi-right, but the magical convergence of the PC and home entertainment just might remain a pipedream no matter what these guys do.

Does your life really have to be ruled by the media? How about thinking for yourselves for a change instead of buying the latest marketing garbage (This means YOU Intelia) . There are lots more important things to think about than whether you can play hi-def copies of Michael Bay movies on your computer - like maybe why were the last two Presidential elections stolen while Big Media ignored and soft-pedaled the whole thing

 

[glugglug]

question: If the video stream is DRM BS encrypted all the way from the PC to the monitor, doesn't this mean that since the system doesn't actually have a decrypted version of the video frames anywhere in memory, it is unable to put them into a window? Being limited to fullscreen mode only will suck, yet all the descriptions of this new HDMI DRM suggest to me that this will be one of the ugly side effects. Even worse, it might mean that these DRM capable monitors (even if they are 30") will have a native resolution of only 1920x1080.

Fortunately I've already figured out the solution to all this, it's quite obvious when you think about it enough. I predict that shortly after the release of HDMI videocards and monitors (yes, it will need a new video card too, obviously), there will be a worm that goes around and detects this equipment, and creates a distributed database of encryption keys hosted by infected machines using a mechanism similar to GoogleFS. There will be a utility released to query a random valid key from the DB and use it for ripping.

I should also point out that the TV manufacturers won't like this either. If the video stream is never decrypted within the PCs memory, that means it is also not decompressed within the PCs memory. So the MPEG-4 decompression of the data off the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray discs will be happening inside the monitor, significantly adding to the production costs.

 

[Bateluer]

I wonder if MS/Intel/AMD/RIAA/MPAA will buy me a DRM-enabled 2005FPW if I choose 'upgrade' to Vista/VIIV?

Fortunately, I know the DRM crap will be cracked and I will still be able to purchase a state of the art PC system without worrying about not being able to play my legit media.