Intelligent Design

[PhineasJWhoopee]

Flat Earth Theory should be taught in Geology and Geography class. Earth Centric Universe Theory should be taught in Astronomy.

You are showing your ignorance.

Before any scientist discovered the shape of the earth, a prophet revealed “He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth . . .” (Isaiah 40:22, emphasis added). While the Bible is not a scientific textbook, early thinkers had it right when they considered science the handmaiden of theology.

 

[Brainonska511]

You are showing your ignorance.

Before any scientist discovered the shape of the earth, a prophet revealed “He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth . . .” (Isaiah 40:22, emphasis added). While the Bible is not a scientific textbook, early thinkers had it right when they considered science the handmaiden of theology.

Geometry fail. Circles are flat.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

You are showing your ignorance.

Before any scientist discovered the shape of the earth, a prophet revealed “He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth . . .” (Isaiah 40:22, emphasis added). While the Bible is not a scientific textbook, early thinkers had it right when they considered science the handmaiden of theology.

ROTFLOL! Circles = spheres? I guess squares = cubes, too, eh? You do realize that the Jews had a word for a spherical shape, don't you?

I'll be the first to say that not all religious people are idiots, but you certainly are one.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Is there scientific evidence backing ID? If not, then no, if yes, then yes. Pretty damn simple question and answer. Same reason they don't teach philosophy or theology in Chem or Bio, or shouldn't.

 

[PhineasJWhoopee]

ROTFLOL! Circles = spheres? I guess squares = cubes, too, eh? You do realize that the Jews had a word for a spherical shape, don't you?

I'll be the first to say that not all religious people are idiots, but you certainly are one.

The word "circle" in Hebrew is "khug" or "roundness".

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

The word "circle" in Hebrew is "khug" or "roundness".

And the word for "ball" in Hebrew is "duwr." If the earth was thought to be spherical, there was a word for them to use to describe it. Instead, they used the word for "circle."

Of course, you will continue to believe the same nonsense you've always believe because you are a retard. At least the reasonable people can see what the facts are.

 

[Siddhartha]

Does ID follow or is the result of the Scientific Method?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

And the word for "ball" in Hebrew is "duwr." If the earth was thought to be spherical, there was a word for them to use to describe it. Instead, they used the word for "circle."

Of course, you will continue to believe the same nonsense you've always believe because you are a retard. At least the reasonable people can see what the facts are.

I'm just going to jump in to say that this is true and the word "dur" (דּוּ&#1512 IS mentioned in Isaiah, i don't remember the exact verse but it shouldn't be too hard to find for someone willing to look it up.

"Chug" (חוּ&#1490, like most Hebrew words, have several meanings, none of them is "roundness" and in this specific case it's correctly translated to circle.

There is also talk about the ends of the earth which literally means just that, the ends, there is a verse, can't remember which right now, where the Devil takes a guy up to the top of a mountain where he can see the entire world, something which could only work if the earth was flat. There are also verses which reference heaven as a tent above the earth, there is no doubt in any sane humans mind that the Torah and the Bible describe the earth as flat.

 

[PhineasJWhoopee]

The Bible isn't a science text, but when it describes the physical world, it does so accurately.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sciencebible.html

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

The Bible isn't a science text, but when it describes the physical world, it does so accurately.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sciencebible.html

Not in any way, shape or form, not unless you change the meanings of words or change the meanings of science.

You're the retarded kid who uses the sledgehammer to get the rombs through square holes and says they were meant to go there because they fit, just look....

That they would fit better in round holes is completely lost on you, so you keep hammering them through that wrong hole.

 

[HumblePie]

Not in any way, shape or form, not unless you change the meanings of words or change the meanings of science.

You're the retarded kid who uses the sledgehammer to get the rombs through square holes and says they were meant to go there because they fit, just look....

That they would fit better in round holes is completely lost on you, so you keep hammering them through that wrong hole.

Not to mention completely using the same christian propaganda sites all the time. These sites seems to be his source of info for just about everything. It's a bit disturbing.

 

[FTM0305]

ID seems better suited for a mechanical engineering course or another applied science. getting into the mindset of designing as if one was a god can really help people boost confidences. You know how we mech engineer guys are (Las Vegas Death rays anyone?)

General Science class should only teach how things work or how things possibly work. Evolutionary Theory is important to biology because classification is based on its premise. ID doesn't really have anything based on it.

For a course of study ID does not have a sizable curriculum really worth studying in general science classes. I think a nod to the theory by way of quick mention in an overview may be all that can be done.

Scriptures are generally too cryptic to use as resource for a scientific inquiry, because assumptions have to be made to connect events to scientific principle. So what resources would be used to teach intelligent design?

 

[thraashman]

If intelligent design gets taught in science classes, I'd insist that the magic bullet theory of JFK assassination gets taught in history. That the Flying Spaghetti Monster gets taught in biology. That 9/11 conspiracy theories about Bush being involved get taught in government. That dragons are taught about in either history or biology.

If you're going to teach something that has no basis in science or fact as even potentially being true, then you might as well scrap all learning and just treat every class as a mythology class.

 

[Fear No Evil]

What I am having a hard time understanding is that if intelligent design is such a ridiculous idea and so absurd that we can't even mention it in schools, why does the (arguably) smartest man in the history of this country, Barack Obama, believe in it? He claims he is a Christian. If we take him at his word then clearly he believes in intelligent design. So either our President is a moron, a liar, or maybe ID is something that if its important enough that the most intelligent person alive believes, we should look into teaching our kids about it?

 

[totalnoob]

What I am having a hard time understanding is that if intelligent design is such a ridiculous idea and so absurd that we can't even mention it in schools, why does the (arguably) smartest man in the history of this country, Barack Obama, believe in it? He claims he is a Christian. If we take him at his word then clearly he believes in intelligent design. So either our President is a moron, a liar, or maybe ID is something that if its important enough that the most intelligent person alive believes, we should look into teaching our kids about it?

Not all Christians believe in that bullshit. Plenty are willing to accept the reality that science reveals. They are Christians in the sense that they admire the teachings of Jesus and believe in a higher power..not necessarily a literal Genesis. Thomas Jefferson was one of the most anti-religion people around. He tored out ALL of the supernatural garbage in the bible and just kept the moral teachings of Jesus..and considered himself a Christian in that respect. Plenty of well-respected scientists also consider themselves Christians while considering ID an absolute joke (Ken Miller and Francis Collins come to mind for a start).

 

[zsdersw]

What I am having a hard time understanding is that if intelligent design is such a ridiculous idea and so absurd that we can't even mention it in schools, why does the (arguably) smartest man in the history of this country, Barack Obama, believe in it? He claims he is a Christian. If we take him at his word then clearly he believes in intelligent design. So either our President is a moron, a liar, or maybe ID is something that if its important enough that the most intelligent person alive believes, we should look into teaching our kids about it?

You never contribute anything useful to the discussion, do you?

 

[Fear No Evil]

Not all Christians believe in that bullshit. Plenty are willing to accept the reality that science reveals. They are Christians in the sense that they admire the teachings of Jesus and believe in a higher power..not necessarily a literal Genesis. Thomas Jefferson was one of the most anti-religion people around. He tored out ALL of the supernatural garbage in the bible and just kept the moral teachings of Jesus..and considered himself a Christian in that respect. Plenty of well-respected scientists also consider themselves Christians while considering ID an absolute joke (Ken Miller and Francis Collins come to mind for a start).

If Obama believes in a higher power, then he believes in intelligent design. Even if he doesn't believe in an literal interpretation (I doubt most people do) its pretty absurd to think there is a higher being out there who created us, influences us, watches over us, etc but did not have ANYTHING to do with the universe we live in.

 

[Moonbeam]

You never contribute anything useful to the discussion, do you?

From a cornered bigot expect cornered bigotry.

 

[Fear No Evil]

You never contribute anything useful to the discussion, do you?

You can feel free to interpret my posts however you want. Even though I like to throw in some absurdity, there is usually a pretty valid point in there. If our current President, whom many believe is one of the smartest we have ever had, believes in intelligent design.. why is so absurd that we might think of teaching people about it? If Christianity has influenced our President so much that he feels the need to proclaim it publically that it has heavily influenced his life and thought process then maybe there is something not so absurd about it?

 

[Fear No Evil]

From a cornered bigot expect cornered bigotry.

Pretty insightful point, that probably IS why Obama has publicly declared his Christianity belief just recently. Glad we can agree on something.
:sneaky:

 

[zsdersw]

You can feel free to interpret my posts however you want. Even though I like to throw in some absurdity, there is usually a pretty valid point in there. If our current President, whom many believe is one of the smartest we have ever had, believes in intelligent design.. why is so absurd that we might think of teaching people about it? If Christianity has influenced our President so much that he feels the need to proclaim it publically that it has heavily influenced his life and thought process then maybe there is something not so absurd about it?

For the bolded part the answer is: Rarely, if ever.

Consider the following:

1.) You don't think Obama is the smartest president we've ever had.

2.) Few, if any, people on this forum think he's the smartest president we've ever had.

3.) Absurd ideas are absurd no matter how many people believe in them or how smart those people may be.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

You can feel free to interpret my posts however you want. Even though I like to throw in some absurdity, there is usually a pretty valid point in there. If our current President, whom many believe is one of the smartest we have ever had, believes in intelligent design.. why is so absurd that we might think of teaching people about it? If Christianity has influenced our President so much that he feels the need to proclaim it publically that it has heavily influenced his life and thought process then maybe there is something not so absurd about it?

Newsflash, genius: Believing a God exists |= Believing Intelligent Design has scientific validity. "Intelligent Design" as it is used in popular media, refers particularly to a minority group of Christians that seek to subvert legitimate science and replace it with their tenets of faith. I do not believe that Barack Obama belongs to that group, but your silly, failure of a smear is noted, and reflects particularly negatively on you.

 

[Moonbeam]

Newsflash, genius: Believing a God exists |= Believing Intelligent Design has scientific validity. "Intelligent Design" as it is used in popular media, refers particularly to a minority group of Christians that seek to subvert legitimate science and replace it with their tenets of faith. I do not believe that Barack Obama belongs to that group, but your silly, failure of a smear is noted, and reflects particularly negatively on you.

A bigot can't see how his bigotry reflects negatively on him. A bigot believes that what is ugly and hideous is beautiful and true. He is immune to organic shame. He became a bigot by being deeply humiliated as a child. He doesn't want to awaken and go though that again to cure his illness. But he might recall that he has been forgiven as are all those for whom he has contempt. There is only love and a bigot has had his love balls kicked in. To love is to die in pain. The bigot fell in love with hate.

 

[woolfe9999]

FNE does have a true gift. He can find a way to bring "Barack Obama" into a discussion of literally any topic. He was lax this time though. He's usually in there by the 4th post at latest in every thread having nothing to do with Obama. He was probably stumped this time for a long while, trying to figure out, "how can I slur Obama while relating it to this thread topic." But in the end, he came through as he always does.

- wolf

 

[Moonbeam]

FNE does have a true gift. He can find a way to bring "Barack Obama" into a discussion of literally any topic. He was lax this time though. He's usually in there by the 4th post at latest in every thread having nothing to do with Obama. He was probably stumped this time for a long while, trying to figure out, "how can I slur Obama while relating it to this thread topic." But in the end, he came through as he always does.

- wolf

Pigs have the gift of shitting pig shit.