Intelligent Design

[TAandy]

found this on kirk pearson's site:

"Help evolve digital creatures which move more efficiently in Intelligent Design, a Darwin@Home project. The project's results are stored in publically-accessible XML files. See screenshots and more information about the project.
To participate in the project, click on the Intelligent Design logo on the project's main web page. This will launch a Java Webstart application on your computer which will automatically download and run the Intelligent Design application. Instructions for using the application are displayed within the application itself. The application should run on any computing platform which supports Java. You may need to install the Java Runtime Environment (JRE) in order to run the application. Version 20070511 of the application is available as of May 11, 2007. "

can be found here

 

[Fullmetal Chocobo]

A Java-enabled cruncher. Nice find!

 

[BlackMountainCow]

I just can't help but giggle at the combination of "Intelligent Design" (with its creationist implications) and Darwin@Home (the scientific opposite). :laugh:

Nice find Andy! :beer:

 

[JonB]

You need to read some of Darwin's actual text. He may have been a champion for evolutionary development, but he NEVER said anything that went against the idea of Intelligent Design. Darwin did not agree with the fundamentalist biblical view (common in his day - 1859 - as in ours, 150 years later) where the world was created just a few thousand years ago, but that isn't Intelligent Design, either; that is Biblical Creationism.

The full title of his major work was, On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.

and here's the closing sentence:

"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone circling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved."

 

[BlackMountainCow]

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Jon, I have read and studied On the Origin of Species, as well as several hundred of Darwin's letters. I've also read and studied the major works of the ID folks, Dawkins, Mayer and all the other stuff related to that topic. I have a whole bookshelf filled with books about this dispute. I wrote my theology thesis about it (Title: "Does nature reveal a creator? On the discussion of Creationism, Intelligent Design, Science and the Catholic Church about the relation of faith and science).

True, he never said anything about ID, but about the necessity of involving a divine creator to explain certain hitherto unknown circumstances about how things evolved. And that's the same case with ID. Of course Darwin didn't know about DNA and the flagellum of a bacterium, but the scheme is the same. There's something which can't be explained, so some folks fall back to the "Well, must have been a creator then" idea.

In case of TAandy's link though, the term Intelligent Design actually applies, because we as users can tweak the settings of that virtual word. My comment was meant to be not so serious, more for the giggles. Apparently, that didn't work out for some.


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[Assimilator1]

Originally posted by: BlackMountainCow
I just can't help but giggle at the combination of "Intelligent Design" (with its creationist implications) and Darwin@Home (the scientific opposite). :laugh:

Nice find Andy! :beer:

Well I found it amusing too
Interesting project, but what is its ultimate aim? I wouldn't of thought it'd be able to truely simulate evolution to study life, could it?

Btw we best not continue/start talking about evolution vs 'ID' here or we'll probably end up with a major flame fest (happened once before IIRC), their are people on both sides of the divide around here .



..........we don't want to wake up the new mods so early on in thier new jobs:laugh:

Nothing wrong with having debate here, as I'm sure we could keep it civil. And this new mod hardly ever sleeps.
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[RobertE]

Originally posted by: Assimilator1
Interesting project, but what is its ultimate aim?

The launch of Skynet and the destruction of the human race or the birth of the Cylons and the dustruction of the human race. Either way, not good for us humans. :Q

 

[RaySun2Be]

Interesting project, but what is its ultimate aim? I wouldn't of thought it'd be able to truely simulate evolution to study life, could it?

Never mind that....what kind of STATS do they have? Do they have teams, and is it something the TeAm can quickly gain domination over? :evil:

Hi, my name is Ray, and I'm a stats addict.....



j/k on the never mind part....

 

[TAandy]

Originally posted by: RaySun2Be

Interesting project, but what is its ultimate aim? I wouldn't of thought it'd be able to truely simulate evolution to study life, could it?

Never mind that....what kind of STATS do they have? Do they have teams, and is it something the TeAm can quickly gain domination over? :evil:

Hi, my name is Ray, and I'm a stats addict.....



j/k on the never mind part....

lmao :laugh:
thought it was kind of 'quirky' myself,
DON'T want fellow TeAm members arguing about it!!! PLEASE?

 

[biodoc]

Originally posted by: BlackMountainCow
[Off Topic]

Jon, I have read and studied On the Origin of Species, as well as several hundred of Darwin's letters. I've also read and studied the major works of the ID folks, Dawkins, Mayer and all the other stuff related to that topic. I have a whole bookshelf filled with books about this dispute. I wrote my theology thesis about it (Title: "Does nature reveal a creator? On the discussion of Creationism, Intelligent Design, Science and the Catholic Church about the relation of faith and science).

True, he never said anything about ID, but about the necessity of involving a divine creator to explain certain hitherto unknown circumstances about how things evolved. And that's the same case with ID. Of course Darwin didn't know about DNA and the flagellum of a bacterium, but the scheme is the same. There's something which can't be explained, so some folks fall back to the "Well, must have been a creator then" idea.

In case of TAandy's link though, the term Intelligent Design actually applies, because we as users can tweak the settings of that virtual word. My comment was meant to be not so serious, more for the giggles. Apparently, that didn't work out for some.


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Off topic!!

Cheers BMC!!:beer:

Off topic!!

 

[Desslok]

Thanks for the offer, but that is too low.

 

[Assimilator1]

A?

Originally posted by: RobertE

Originally posted by: Assimilator1
Interesting project, but what is its ultimate aim?

The launch of Skynet and the destruction of the human race or the birth of the Cylons and the dustruction of the human race. Either way, not good for us humans. :Q

Ah nothing serious then

lol @ Ray

Anyone know the answer to my question?

 

[waffleironhead]

Originally posted by: Assimilator1
Interesting project, but what is its ultimate aim?

Presentation from the creator.
Seems he is working on machine learning via evolution of physical growth and behavior change.

 

[Assimilator1]

Interesting project

God he's boring to listen to though! 'eh, err,err'

You'd think he'd at least have the basics of his DC project on his website though.