Intelligence VS Experience

[SlingXShot]

Bush and McCain got C's when they atteneded colleges.

Here McCain admits it: http://www.webtvhub.com/john-m...raduated-894th-of-899/

We all know Obama attended Colombia and Harvard and to get into Harvard you needed a pretty high GPA.

3.8 GPA ---Columbia Poly Sci major with a specialty in international relations.
Harvard Law, 4.0 GPA---with high honors

So the question. Would you trust someone with 100 years of experience (someone like our lovely Bush or McCain) or someone with who finished top schools?

 

[Fingolfin269]

GPA is not a measure of intelligence.

 

[SlingXShot]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
GPA is not a measure of intelligence.

It is a major factor...

I had a friend with higher IQ than me... It took him 20 mins to prepare for a test to get an A, it took me 6 hours to get a B...

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: SlingXShot

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
GPA is not a measure of intelligence.

It is a major factor...

I had a friend with higher IQ than me... It took him 20 mins to prepare for a test to get an A, it took me 6 hours to get a B...

You guys compared IQs as well as grades? WTH kind of college kid are you.

 

[SlingXShot]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
GPA is not a measure of intelligence.

You are telling me that a mentally retarded person with an IQ of 75, could get a 4.0 GPA... in your dreams... like I said its a major factor...

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: SlingXShot

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
GPA is not a measure of intelligence.

You are telling me that a mentally retarded person with an IQ of 75, could get a 4.0 GPA... in your dreams... like I said its a major factor...

No it isn't. You can be incredibly lazy and stupid and still test well, the opposite is also true.

This thread is meaningless as are GPA's.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: SlingXShot

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
GPA is not a measure of intelligence.

You are telling me that a mentally retarded person with an IQ of 75, could get a 4.0 GPA... in your dreams... like I said its a major factor...

Well there you go. If there is a major in retarded studies then perhaps the retarded person could get a 4.0 GPA. There are so many factors, so many different degrees/activities/was i hungover/i ended up with the hard as hell prof and you ended up with the easy one/I worked 40 hours a week and went full time while you just went to school/etc. etc. etc. There are so many variables man that have NOTHING to do with intelligence.

 

[fskimospy]

Lets be honest, neither experience or intelligence are particularly good predictors of how a president will perform.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: SlingXShot
Bush and McCain got C's when they atteneded colleges.

Here McCain admits it: http://www.webtvhub.com/john-m...raduated-894th-of-899/

We all know Obama attended Colombia and Harvard and to get into Harvard you needed a pretty high GPA.

So the question. Would you trust someone with 100 years of experience (someone like our lovely Bush) or someone with who finished top schools?

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If you study who makes the best leaders, its very often the C student in college. But not just any C student, its the C student who has judgment and an ability to consult with experts in any field. And can exhibit an uncanny knack for finding effective people and with the flexibility to give ineffective people the ole heave ho.

I do not want to blow the Eisenhower horn, but there is an old story about him being put on the spot in a math class regarding a classic proof a theorem he did not bother to remember. And on the spot, he came up with a better proof that is still being used at West Point to this day.

Maybe lesson to take away, good leaders think for themselves and don't spout doctrine.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Lets be honest, neither experience or intelligence are particularly good predictors of how a president will perform.

QFT

/thread

Fern

 

[Jmman]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Lets be honest, neither experience or intelligence are particularly good predictors of how a president will perform.

I actually agree for once with eskimo..... :thumbsup:

 

[Slew Foot]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Lets be honest, neither experience or intelligence are particularly good predictors of how a president will perform.

QFT

/thread

Fern

yup

 

[ayabe]

I'd settle for a high school dropout as long as he didn't think that God spoke to him.

If I can take anything out of the last 7 years is that none of my future children will be attending Yale.

 

[nageov3t]

I'd trust experience over GPA, yeah.

the capacity to memorize facts doesn't necessarily translate into leadership ability, judgment, being able to understand issues, etc (and I'm not saying Obama doesn't have all that, but the valedictorian of my high school was a real douche bag. I wouldn't elect him president just because he graduated with a 100% GPA and got into Yale. fuck, I probably wouldn't even pull over to the side of the road to help him if that dick head was stranded on the side of the road... on the other hand, I know plenty of people who goofed around a bit in school and didn't take it seriously, but later straightened out)

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Lets be honest, neither experience or intelligence are particularly good predictors of how a president will perform.

Definitely. Experience and intelligence are tools. It more importantly matters how one chooses to use them.

 

[Harvey]

I'll take intelligence over experience. All the experience in the world doesn't help much if you can't figure out what to do with it.

Originally posted by: SlingXShot

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
GPA is not a measure of intelligence.

It is a major factor...

It's not a "factor;" it's an indicator.

 

[PingSpike]

Most points have already been brought up. GPA doesn't mean shit for intelligence. (I'll cite the popular einstein example) There's many different kinds of intelligence, not all of them measurable. And of course, neither intellgence or experience seem to really make a lot of difference in this venue.

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm looking for somebody who has such enormous understanding and personal capacity that they can suddenly appear from absolutely nowhere and become President.

 

[Xavier434]

I don't like this comparison. GPA is meh when it comes to making what I consider intelligent, responsible, and well thought out decisions. Experience can be a serious double edged sword in itself. It really boils down to what you have come to learn from your experiences combined with whether or not those experiences apply close enough to what is being put on your plate today. Experience is also only useful if you remember enough details about what you experienced and what you learned. Sometimes memories get rather hazy if you are trying to reference experience from so long ago and you can come up with some weird conclusions when trying to put the puzzle pieces together.

With that said, I am not giving either of those factors much weight when it comes to my voting decision this election. That does not mean I am ignoring either of them mind you. They just are not at the top of my list by any means.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Lets be honest, neither experience or intelligence are particularly good predictors of how a president will perform.

Usually not but in Bushes case it seems it was spot on. He isn't to smart and he hasn'trun the country very intelligently and his experience was that of a failed businessman and he has been a failure as a President.

 

[pstylesss]

My cousin had very close to 4.0, I had like a 2.7 or 2.8 coming out of HS. My cousin can hardly tie his own damn shoes and open up an orange juice container. GPA is not a measure of intelligence or even an indicator.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Lets be honest, neither experience or intelligence are particularly good predictors of how a president will perform.

Usually not but in Bushes case it seems it was spot on. He isn't to smart and he hasn'trun the country very intelligently and his experience was that of a failed businessman and he has been a failure as a President.

Bush ran on a platform of "I'm stupid, but hey, I'm surrounded by smart guys."

little did we know that those "smart" guys were not only stupid themselves, but downright villainous in their ineptitude and power grabs.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
My cousin had very close to 4.0, I had like a 2.7 or 2.8 coming out of HS. My cousin can hardly tie his own damn shoes and open up an orange juice container. GPA is not a measure of intelligence or even an indicator.

Your cousin sounds like an Idiot Savant.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
GPA is not a measure of intelligence.

But, intelligence is strongly correlated with GPA. I see what you are trying to do, you are trying to flip the equation around to prove him wrong. It isn't that simple.

Let me change the words to show my point:

SlingXShot: cats are mammals
Fingolfin269: mammals are not cats

Yes, Fingolfin269, mammals are not cats, but that doesn't disprove what SlingXShot said (that cats are mammals). Now I'll go back to the statement. Here is the way it should have been stated: Intelligence is significantly positively related to GPA. People who are intelligent tend to have higher GPAs than people who are not intelligent. Conversely, people with higher GPAs are probably more intelligent than those with lower GPAs, but it isn't sufficient proof.

One of dozens of studies

General intelligence, Big Five personality traits, and the construct Work Drive were studied in relation to two measures of collegiate academic performance: a single course grade received by undergraduate students in an introductory psychology course, and self-reported GPA. General intelligence and Work Drive were found to be significantly positively related to both course grade and GPA

For the actual topic discussion: experience is nice, but not necessary. There are plenty of sucessful leaders who were inexperienced when they started. Intelligence is more important in my opinion. Any person in the world can gain experience or can put experienced people around them until that happens. No one can significantly increase his/her own intelligence.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I'm looking for somebody who has such enormous understanding and personal capacity that they can suddenly appear from absolutely nowhere and become President.

The DNC picked him as a favorite early on. That alone should make you cringe. Do you even care?

As far as my interests are concerned no President can be worth his weight if he doesn?t challenge and strike fear into the establishment. They only nominate one of their own, and it is the established party elite who need to be removed.

Only those who are part of government and its handouts will look kindly upon the next President. The people will once again get screwed, because we are not represented.

Originally posted by: SlingXShot
So the question. Would you trust someone with 100 years of experience (someone like our lovely Bush or McCain) or someone with who finished top schools?

School != IQ, and experience is a factor to be weighed against it - at least a little.

I much prefer a governor to become President than a Senator whose first role of leadership in their entire life will occur while residing over our nation.

As far as who to elect, experience is a factor, intelligence is a factor, but where they stand on the issues is of critical importance. Besides, your party already selected who the nominee is, you don?t get to pick and choose the qualities of your President ? it?s a binary choice at this point. A binary choice among elite party member A, or elite party member B. Either way the people are f?ed and the establishment retains its seat of power.