Intel Z3770 vs Snapdragon 800 in Kraken 1.1

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I got to spend some time with 2 tablet prototypes last week.

z3770 at 2.3 ghz max, 1.46 ghz, Win 8.1 pre Kraken 1.1 score: 7631

Snapdragon 800 2.15 ghz max, Win 8.1 RT pre Kraken 1.1 score: 12526

I couldn't install anything on these machines so Kraken was what I could run in the time available. Both scores in IE obviously, both machines had 2GB Ram, shouldn't matter for Kraken. Both got warm but neither was uncomfortably hot. z3770 was completely unlocked unlike previous engineering samples I've seen. The Snapdragon was very quick and responsive unlike previous RT devices but the Baytrail was simply awesome for an Atom processor, subjectively felt more like an Ivy Bridge Core processor than an Atom processor. Try running Kraken on your Core processor and you will see how much of a game changer a 7631 kraken score is out of a tablet. I know Kraken's limitations quite well but this result was somewhat consistent with some other leaked results so I'm not completely surprised.
 
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Oh, so you mean the company with a process tech advantage and years of experience designing power efficient high performance processors could out-design a radio maker who just recently got into building CPUs?

Shocking! ;)

Thanks for the datapoint. Now we just have to wait for claims that Intel is rigging the benchmark or that Kraken is biased. lol
 
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Or just look at some proper results.

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Barely beats a dual 1.7 GHz A15 or the S800, and Anand says Android is a mess in these benchmarks anyway. When will you Intel guys learn? You jump on to anything that makes Intel look too good instantly (from a guy with a single post no less) without even looking for some kind of proof of what is being said.
 
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Javascript performance is dependent on browser, really doesn't measure browsing experience, isn't comparable across CPU platforms, isn't properly multi-cored, blah blah etc.


But seriously, my GS4 running underclocked at 1.67GHz gets 14743 in Kraken. A 2.15GHz Snapdragon 800 getting 12526 just doesn't seem quite right in light of that.


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Thanks for the graphs from a reputable source. Thought the numbers were odd.

All this tells us, if the numbers are correct, is that MS has a crappy javascript engine.
 
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SiliconWars said:
Or just look at some proper results.

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Barely beats a dual core 1.7 GHz A15, and Anand says Android is a mess in these benchmarks anyway. When will you Intel guys learn? You jump on to anything that makes Intel look good instantly (from a guy with a single post no less) without even looking for some kind of proof of what is being said.
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What browser were those results run in?
 
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ChronoReverse said:
Javascript performance is dependent on browser, really doesn't measure browsing experience, isn't comparable across CPU platforms, isn't properly multi-cored, blah blah etc.


But seriously, my GS4 running underclocked at 1.67GHz gets 14743 in Kraken. A 2.15GHz Snapdragon 800 getting 12526 just doesn't seem quite right in light of that.
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IE always scores much higher usually 25% - 35% in Kraken than either Mozilla or Webkit so your GS4 score is actually quite consistent with what you would expect. The point is that these 2 are running a similar browser, sure MS has better optimization for for x86 than ARM at this point but still the Z3770 is very, very fast for an Atom or any processor with it's thermal characteristics. The Atom tablet weighed less than an Ipad 4 with similar thickness.
 
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Intel17 said:
Thanks for the datapoint. Now we just have to wait for claims that Intel is rigging the benchmark or that Kraken is biased. lol
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I'm sure there will be plenty, some people act life their life will be ruined if they were wrong and Bay Trail actually performs well (with low power comsumption). This will be a funny ride.
Cant wait to try a Windows 8.1 Bay Trail-T based tablet, just hope they are reasonably priced (vs similar ARM-based Android/Windows RT offerings).
 
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SiliconWars said:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7082/...-preview-qualcomm-mobile-development-tablet/2



It doesn't really matter. Just please for the love of god stop jumping on every unrealistic benchmark without questioning it first.
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They're only unrealistic to you when they show Intel doing well. When they're doing poorly, you're the first to jump on board the Intel-bashwagon. That's perfectly fine and it is your right to do so, but you have to tolerate other people's viewpoints as well.
 
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The Z3770 score is meaningless. Was it clocking with final speeds? Was it running with Turbo enabled? We have seen Geekbench results from Z3770 who differed in the 60% range probably due to different clock speeds (Turbo Off/On maybe).
 
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Intel17 said:
They're only unrealistic to you when they show Intel doing well. When they're doing poorly, you're the first to jump on board the Intel-bashwagon. That's perfectly fine and it is your right to do so, but you have to accept other people's viewpoints as well.
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I am more than prepared for a good showing by Bay Trail, what I'm not buying is results that are completely out of whack with reality.

This one might as well be AnTuTu. There is simply, no chance, at all that the Z3770 beats the S800 by such a margin. None. Forget it.
 
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jpiniero said:
You're thinking of SunSpider, which IE does well in. Kraken is different.
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Actually I'm not. I've run Kraken 1.1 in Mozilla and Chorme as well as IE on the same machines and IE is usually significantly higher than either, especially Chrome. It does BETTER in sunspider, not kraken.
 
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mikk said:
The Z3770 score is meaningless. Was it clocking with final speeds? Was it running with Turbo enabled? We have seen Geekbench results from Z3770 who differed in the 60% range probably due to different clock speeds (Turbo Off/On maybe).
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Z2770 was turbo enabled up to 2.3 Ghz, base clock was 1.46 ghz.
 
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I'm sure there will be plenty, some people act life their life will be ruined if they were wrong and Bay Trail actually performs well (with low power comsumption). This will be a funny ride.
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Likewise, some people act like their lives will be ruined if it so happens that Intel's product didn't live up to their claims.

It certainly would be nice if there are competing products at the level. It's bad for there to be no competition.
 
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Intel17 said:
How much would you wager on that? Intel pulled it off with Conroe against the "amazing" Athlon 64.
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You know what? Forget it. I'll just let you continue to make these outrageous claims and pick up the pieces when reality hits.

One look at Kraken on IE paints a clear picture quite quickly -

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/446...-tested-benchmarks-igpu-ie10---mozilla-kraken

We're dealing with one thread, period. So straight away we have best case for the z3770 (who would have believed that?) and its burst turbo.
 
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I am more than prepared for a good showing by Bay Trail, what I'm not buying is results that are completely out of whack with reality.

This one might as well be AnTuTu. There is simply, no chance, at all that the Z3770 beats the S800 by such a margin. None. Forget it.
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Sigh. Hate to pee on your Wheaties but I'm not fudging this, I expected the results to be pretty close and obviously this benchmark doesn't consider GPU. Obviously there are likely some optimization advantages on the Intel side given x86 in Windows vs ARM in RT but the benchmark was consistent with the subjective user experience on these two tablets, the intel was clearly faster at nearly everything. Not to say the 800 was slow, far from it, it was the fastest tablet I've used without a Core inside but the 3770 was shockingly fast for an atom tablet.
 
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