Intel won't touch Vista - Too broken To Deploy.

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: VinDSL
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I get the impression Intel is a bunch of cheap bastards ...

Seem like this is what a shareholder would want to hear.

 

[Nothinman]

Seem like this is what a shareholder would want to hear.

Within reason, extreme corner cutting can usually ends up costing more in the long run.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Seem like this is what a shareholder would want to hear.

Within reason, extreme corner cutting can usually ends up costing more in the long run.

Seems obvious. And yet there is no shortage of co's (people) that continue to test this. Not implying that intel is one of these - but I imagine amd was freaking them out pretty badly a few years ago.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
So? It's not like Vista was a rewrite, Vista is based on XP and XP was based on Win2K. There's no way Win7 will be 100% compatible with Vista unless MS doesn't add any new features.

A couple of things I want to point out.

1. Microsoft is claiming that Win 7 will be 100% compatible with Vista, application and driver wise. So far the beta testers have verified this is the case.

2. Vista is no more directly based on XP than it is on 2000. It is directly based on Server 2003. Since it is once removed from XP and twice removed from 2000, there should be a greater expectation of incompatibilities. I know we have had this discussion before, but you can't seem to grasp that Vista is not directly based on XP.

3. Major parts of Vista are a complete rewrite. The graphics rendering engine is one such area as is the driver and audio stack. The networking stack was also rewritten from the ground up. That means that key parts of Vista are a complete rewrite.

I have a lot of respect for your opinions since the majority of times they are correct, not given to fanboyism and well balanced. I just think you have been using Linux so long that you have gotten out of touch with what Microsoft has actually done with Windows and Vista in particular.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: VinDSL

LoL!

My sister-in-law is a 'big shot' at the Intel campus in Chandler - let's just leave it at that.

I should call her up and see if this story is true...

In a way, it wouldn't surprise me!

Years ago, I remember she told me Intel was hung up on WinNT - wouldn't upgrade despite NT not supporting any of the hardware they were using in their corporate offices.

She said everybody was forced to buy their own W2K Pro upgrade - Intel wouldn't pay them.

The next time I saw her, a few months later, she said Intel finally acquiesced and upgraded everyone...

I get the impression Intel is a bunch of cheap bastards - that's all! 😉

Nah just a big organization with legacy applications that are hard to port or wont port at all. What you see there isnt surprising.

 

[RebateMonger]

Originally posted by: VinDSL
I get the impression Intel is a bunch of cheap bastards - that's all! 😉

Actually, they are. And it's not a very nice place to work, either. There's lots of Intel presence in my area, and I've spent time at their factories, and I know employees there, and I wouldn't ever work for Intel.

 

[pcgeek101]

I'm a systems engineer, and I've been in regular contact with some people from Intel recently.

Since this topic came up, I'll see what I can find out about their plans to use Vista within their organization. The scope of our recent discussions has been more geared towards their call centers, however I'm sure the people I've spoken with are responsible for other locations as well.

I'll try to remember to post back about this.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: pcgeek101
I'm a systems engineer, and I've been in regular contact with some people from Intel recently.

Since this topic came up, I'll see what I can find out about their plans to use Vista within their organization. The scope of our recent discussions has been more geared towards their call centers, however I'm sure the people I've spoken with are responsible for other locations as well.

I'll try to remember to post back about this.

It would be interesting to know if there is anything to the rumor that they and apple are getting deeper into bed.

 

[pcgeek101]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: pcgeek101
I'm a systems engineer, and I've been in regular contact with some people from Intel recently.

Since this topic came up, I'll see what I can find out about their plans to use Vista within their organization. The scope of our recent discussions has been more geared towards their call centers, however I'm sure the people I've spoken with are responsible for other locations as well.

I'll try to remember to post back about this.

It would be interesting to know if there is anything to the rumor that they and apple are getting deeper into bed.

I don't think I could get any sort of information about Intel & Apple, but most likely about the truth about their Vista usage internally.

 

[Nothinman]

1. Microsoft is claiming that Win 7 will be 100% compatible with Vista, application and driver wise. So far the beta testers have verified this is the case.

It's still early in Win7 development, I'm sure MS would love to maintain 100% compatibility with every release but it never happens.

2. Vista is no more directly based on XP than it is on 2000. It is directly based on Server 2003. Since it is once removed from XP and twice removed from 2000, there should be a greater expectation of incompatibilities. I know we have had this discussion before, but you can't seem to grasp that Vista is not directly based on XP.

And you're exaggerating the differences between Win2K3 and XP. Win2K3 is based on XP SP2, it's not like it's a completely separate fork from the beginning of XP's development. MS wants to have as much code sharing as possible to keep maintenance costs down.

3. Major parts of Vista are a complete rewrite. The graphics rendering engine is one such area as is the driver and audio stack. The networking stack was also rewritten from the ground up. That means that key parts of Vista are a complete rewrite.

And those areas really only affect driver writers, not users directly. Sure there are a few exceptions like the fact that people with Creative cards got screwed because Creative sucks so bad, but you'd think they'd be used to it since they are using Creative hardware after all. But all of that's an extremely small amount of fallout from the fact that MS pretty much replaced the graphics and audio stacks in the OS. The majority of people by a long shot will never even know something's changed.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: pcgeek101

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: pcgeek101
I'm a systems engineer, and I've been in regular contact with some people from Intel recently.

Since this topic came up, I'll see what I can find out about their plans to use Vista within their organization. The scope of our recent discussions has been more geared towards their call centers, however I'm sure the people I've spoken with are responsible for other locations as well.

I'll try to remember to post back about this.

It would be interesting to know if there is anything to the rumor that they and apple are getting deeper into bed.

I don't think I could get any sort of information about Intel & Apple, but most likely about the truth about their Vista usage internally.

One scenario could be that they're not spending the money on ms stuff since they're going to be using mac stuff. I know this doesn't make sense but it doesn't make sense that they're dissing ms either.

 

[grrl]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: lxskllr
I'd be interested in seeing an article from a reputable news source. The Inquirer carries about as much weight with me as the Weekly World News.

That's funny - I'd not seen wwn. I'll put right next to my link to the drudge report and fox cable news.

But unlike Faux, sometimes Drudge comes out with the truth.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: grrl
But unlike Faux, sometimes Drudge comes out with the truth.

Fox News gets it's news from the same sources as CNN, MSNBC and other national networks. The NY Times and the AP are the most common sources for news on all the stations and the majority of the stories are exactly the same word for word. I personally go to many sites to get the news, including Drudge, Fox, CNN, MSNBC, The BBC and NewsOK. 99% of the time the front page stories are almost exactly the same among all the sites.

Now if you want to get into the political slant of the commentators and annalist, then yes Fox News tends to have a few more conservatives on than the other networks. However, there are a lot of liberal commentators on Fox News too, like Alan Colmes and Greta Van Sustern.

Matt Drudge is having a lovefest with Obama right now so his site should be a lot more palatable to liberals than it has been in the past.

Now back on topic.

 

[BD2003]

I wouldnt expect most businesses to deploy vista. I know I wouldnt if I was running one. But it has nothing to do with vista being broken. PCs have a much longer usable life than ever nowadays, and while theres a lot of good reasons to use Vista instead of XP, theres not nearly as much of a reason to spend the time, money and risk to do an upgrade.