Intel Unleashes Haswell-EX Xeon E7 V3 Processors

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Intel has officially launched their Haswell-EX Xeon E7 V3 processor lineup aimed at the enterprise and server market. The launch lineup includes 12 new processors, all of which are derived from a single 18 core flagship Xeon part which is a beast in terms of specifications that include 18 cores, 45 MB of L3 cache, a die size of 662 mm2 and a total of 5.6 billion transistors.

http://ark.intel.com/products/family/78585/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E7-v3-Family#@Server

http://wccftech.com/intel-unleashes...b-ddr4-memory-support-57-billion-transistors/

 

[DrMrLordX]

So it's finally released? Haswell's Last Stand. Can POWER8 stand up to this thing? Or any of the other Haswell-E Xeons? All the comparatives I saw of POWER8 vs. Xeon at POWER8 launch involved earlier chips (SB-E).

 

[cbn]

Interesting they added 20 watt higher TDP and 200 Mhz higher base clock on the top SKU compared to E5 2699 v3.

 

[jji7skyline]

Don't worry. All this will be mainstream within 10 years

 

[cbn]

On these big E5 (2S) and E7 (4S and 8S) processors, how many cores could Intel add on future generations of chips? I am thinking specifically of Cannonlake (10nm), but beyond that as well.

At some point does the quad channel memory become a limitation and there would need to be another level of processor?

Maybe in the future instead of greater socket scalability, E7 gets hex channel memory and higher core counts than the top E5?

 

[Dave2150]

Don't worry. All this will be mainstream within 10 years

In 10 years time we'll be lucky to have mainstream hex cores from Intel That's unless Zen turns out to be all it's rumoured to be and takes the performance crown from Intel, with it's 8 core mainstream parts. Very unlikely though.

 

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2699 v3 (45M Cache, 2.30 GHz)
4 Channels DDR4 2133 Max Memory Bandwidth 68 GB/s

8890 v3 (45M Cache, 2.50 GHz)
4 Channels DDR4 1866 Max Memory Bandwidth 102 GB/s


Why?

 

[zir_blazer]

Are there any in-depth info regarding Intel using a dual DDR3/DDR4 IMC? Servethehome said that there were a few of the current Haswell-E Xeon E5V3 Processors that according Intel Ark supported DDR3, and AsRock had also a LGA 2011-R3 Motherboard with DDR3 slots for those Xeons. Basically, from the very start they had a backup plan in case that DDR4 didn't ramped up fast enough.

 

[Arachnotronic]

That is some seriously awesome silicon.

 

[cbn]

In 10 years time we'll be lucky to have mainstream hex cores from Intel

I think mainstream hexcore could be here much sooner than that if Intel converts Xeon-D to a mainstream socket for Skylake:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2429616

Then after Skylake/Cannonlake pass, the mainstream socket could be combined into one SoC based one with both 8C and 4C+ iGPU processors (similar to AMD's rumored FM3, but as SoC rather than having chipset)

 

[jhu]

So it's finally released? Haswell's Last Stand. Can POWER8 stand up to this thing? Or any of the other Haswell-E Xeons? All the comparatives I saw of POWER8 vs. Xeon at POWER8 launch involved earlier chips (SB-E).

Do zOS or AIX run on x86?

 

[Dave2150]

I think mainstream hexcore could be here much sooner than that if Intel converts Xeon-D to a mainstream socket for Skylake:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2429616

Then after Skylake/Cannonlake pass, the mainstream socket could be combined into one SoC based one with both 8C and 4C+ iGPU processors (similar to AMD's rumored FM3, but as SoC rather than having chipset)

Skylake is already confirmed for LGA1151 though. I like your idea, though it's been suggested for years that for the next generation Intel would upgrade the top mainstream CPU to a hex core (3770k, 4770k etc), never happened.

At this point I'd say it all depends on Zen - if it flops then Intel will keep making insane profit on the tiny quad core dies.

 

[cbn]

Regarding that question I asked back in post #5 (coupled to the info in post #10), is it possible we eventually end up with something like following:

E3 Xeon SoC (4C+iGPU and 8C without iGPU both using dual channel memory) on LGA 1xxx for 1S servers

E5 Xeon with chipset (multiple high core count dies using quad channel memory) on LGA 2xxx for 1S and 2S servers

E7 Xeon with chipset (higher core count than E5 Xeon with 200+ watt TDP using hex channel memory) on LGA 3xxxx for multi-socket servers.

One reason I ask is because already at 22nm, I am seeing the top E5 and E7 SKUs using some pretty low clocks. 14nm and 10nm will lower power consumption but not enough to keep clockspeeds up for a doubling of xtors at each node (especially if much it is used for cores) at the same TDP.

 

[cbn]

Skylake is already confirmed for LGA1151 though. I like your idea, though it's been suggested for years that for the next generation Intel would upgrade the top mainstream CPU to a hex core (3770k, 4770k etc), never happened.

Yes, for Skylake-S the socket would be LGA 1151.

For a Skylake-D (based on a Xeon-D) I don't know how many pins the LGA socket would have. (It would a SoC though, so the PCH would be integrated on die).

But I thinking they would definitely be different sockets until the next generation of processors came.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Do zOS or AIX run on x86?

Well, maybe, but there's probably going to be virtualization involved or something or other.

I was more thinking of the Linux/BSD space where POWER8 and Intel really square off, head-to-head. Obviously you're not going to have Intel systems running AIX, and you aren't going to have POWER systems running Windows.

For a Skylake-D (based on a Xeon-D) I don't know how many pins the LGA socket would have. (It would a SoC though, so the PCH would be integrated on die).

Is there even going to be a Skylake-D?

 

[SarahKerrigan]

Do zOS or AIX run on x86?

z/OS doesn't run on Power either. It runs on z, which is not the same thing.

OS/400 occupies a similar transaction-processing niche on Power (although usually smaller scale.)

 

[cbn]

Is there even going to be a Skylake-D?

Skylake-D is pure speculation on my part.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Fair enough. We just don't know what Intel is going to do with the Xeon-D line. They could wait until Cannonlake to make another Xeon-D. Or they could EoL the line after Broadwell, who knows!

 

[meloz]

The launch lineup includes 12 new processors, all of which are derived from a single 18 core flagship Xeon part which is a beast in terms of specifications that include 18 cores, 45 MB of L3 cache,

I am sure some old timers on the forum will recall when they had PC with less than 45 MB RAM. Now there is a CPU with that much storage as L3 cache.

 

[Idontcare]

I am sure some old timers on the forum will recall when they had PC with less than 45 MB RAM. Now there is a CPU with that much storage as L3 cache.

Ram? I remember when my hard drive had only 20MB storage capacity D:

 

[Burpo]

45 meg? My first pc had 512 kilobytes.. I beamed with pride when I put together my 286 with 1 meg and a 40 meg hdd.

 

[thunng8]

So it's finally released? Haswell's Last Stand. Can POWER8 stand up to this thing? Or any of the other Haswell-E Xeons? All the comparatives I saw of POWER8 vs. Xeon at POWER8 launch involved earlier chips (SB-E).

Still well behind Power8 - at least at sap

http://download.sap.com/download.epd?context=40E2D9D5E00EEF7CE4AB9777C2576CCCD47210DABDC85175C7935E1E53D78A37

http://download.sap.com/download.epd?context=40E2D9D5E00EEF7CA28A8415F3B32C9914852A34134AB2756D168C18C90EE4DB

Xeon had 80% more cores

Power8 still 36% faster

 

[VirtualLarry]

45 meg? My first pc had 512 kilobytes.. I beamed with pride when I put together my 286 with 1 meg and a 40 meg hdd.

I think that my first fully self-built PC was an am386DX-40. (AMD, of course, because Intel stopped at 33, because they wanted to sell their (expensive) 486 CPUs.)

I don't recall if it had 4x1MB DRAM to start with, or if that's what I eventually upgraded to. I think that's when I had a Maxtor 120MB IDE HDD.

My previous PC had been a hand-me-down, an XT clone, with a 20MB MFM HDD. (Back when not only could you do a real low-level format, but in fact, you had to, in order to use the drive. Punching in the factory defect map manually based on the sticker on the drive, and setting the sector interleave factor was fun too.)

I remember paying $300 for a 1GB HDD, at a computer show. Several times, as a matter of fact.

For comparison, I just bought a 32GB USB3.0 flash drive for $10.49 at Newegg a few days ago. That's $9600 worth of storage, for $10. To say nothing of the 5TB HDD I bought for $124.99 at Newegg a few weeks ago. That much storage, would have cost a cool million and a half dollars, if it were even available back then (early 90s?).

 

[Burpo]

Lets not turn this into a dinosaur thread, but I got to be a master at taking the the RLL controllers off bad 30mb Seagates and swapping them to the 20mb mfm Seagate drives & low leveling it for 30megs. Must have done 50 or 60 of those. Yeah, things have come quite a ways since -debug days. 5.6 billion transistors on chip is hella impressive to an old timer like me
https://books.google.com/books?id=x...mands for 30mb seagate rll controller&f=false

 

[PPB]

Are there any in-depth info regarding Intel using a dual DDR3/DDR4 IMC? Servethehome said that there were a few of the current Haswell-E Xeon E5V3 Processors that according Intel Ark supported DDR3, and AsRock had also a LGA 2011-R3 Motherboard with DDR3 slots for those Xeons. Basically, from the very start they had a backup plan in case that DDR4 didn't ramped up fast enough.

Haswell chips for 2011v3 have a dual imc. But only ddr4 is used.