Intel to use Model numbers?

[DivideBYZero]

I read that Intel are soon to use Model numbers to signify performance. The basis of this decision appears to be related to tha fact that there will be 3 FSB's (533, 667?, 800) along with HT and non-HT chips.

Makes sense to me as a 3.06Ghz CPU with 533FSB non-HT would get toasted by a 3.06 800FSB HT enabled setup.

N E 1 else heard anything like this?

 

[FiberOptik]

LOL, so now we'll have a 3.06 A, B, C, and D revision processor. I've always got a kick out of Intel's complete lack of creativity when it comes to renaming/revising CPUs. They just tag a letter of the alphabet on there and call it good. Why don't they do this instead...

Pentium 4 3.06GHz revision SS: Sorta Slow
Pentium 4 3.06GHz revision KF: Kinda Fast
Pentium 4 3.06GHz revision KA: Kicks Ass
Pentium 4 3.06GHz revision RFF: Really F***ing Fast

 

[Lonyo]

Better than a string of letters and numbers in which 2 change to signify a core difference. Using 1 letter after the speed is much easier than what AMD have.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Lonyo
Better than a string of letters and numbers in which 2 change to signify a core difference. Using 1 letter after the speed is much easier than what AMD have.

Who is to say what they will use. A move to model numbers does not automatically mean letters...

 

[andreasl]

First there will only be 2 FSB models. 533 and 800. Secondly all CPUs at 3.06GHz and beyond will support HT. In Q2 next year Intel will also release lower clockspeed P4's (down to 2.4GHz) with a 800MHz FSB and HT enabled.

And finally, where did you read it? Seeing as you didn't provide any link...

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: andreasl
First there will only be 2 FSB models. 533 and 800. Secondly all CPUs at 3.06GHz and beyond will support HT. In Q2 next year Intel will also release lower clockspeed P4's (down to 2.4GHz) with a 800MHz FSB and HT enabled.

And finally, where did you read it? Seeing as you didn't provide any link...

Not completely true. The latest Intel roadmap shows Non-HT enabled PIV's sold alongside HT PIV's. All info from the latest roadmaps, available almost anywhere.

So potentially we have

533/N-HT
533/HT
800/N-HT
800/HT

How will Joe Shmoe know where to spend his dough if the numbers don't show?😉

I.E., How can he tell them apart if they all run at 3.06Ghz and 'Mhz is everything'?

 

[andreasl]

1) You still haven't provided a link

2) How do you propose a 800MHz FSB P4 will run at 3.06GHz ?

 

[andreasl]

So potentially we have

533/N-HT
533/HT
800/N-HT
800/HT

No we don't. All 800FSB P4's will support HT (including ones as low as 2.4GHz released in Q2). All 533FSB P4's up to 2.8GHz will not support HT. The only real addition will be with the lower speed P4's running at 800MHz FSB. These will be different and perhaps confusing. But all you need to know there is that all 800MHz FSB P4's support HT.

Link for your leasure..

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: andreasl

So potentially we have

533/N-HT
533/HT
800/N-HT
800/HT

No we don't. All 800FSB P4's will support HT (including ones as low as 2.4GHz released in Q2). All 533FSB P4's up to 2.8GHz will not support HT. The only real addition will be with the lower speed P4's running at 800MHz FSB. These will be different and perhaps confusing. But all you need to know there is that all 800MHz FSB P4's support HT.

Link for your leasure..

so, 3 PIV's on the market, more in the channel(400's are still around and available on the street). Tell me how all the above really relates to the way they will market processors that appear to be the same speed but are in fact worlds apart?

 

[andreasl]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: andreasl

So potentially we have

533/N-HT
533/HT
800/N-HT
800/HT

No we don't. All 800FSB P4's will support HT (including ones as low as 2.4GHz released in Q2). All 533FSB P4's up to 2.8GHz will not support HT. The only real addition will be with the lower speed P4's running at 800MHz FSB. These will be different and perhaps confusing. But all you need to know there is that all 800MHz FSB P4's support HT.

Link for your leasure..

so, 3 PIV's on the market, more in the channel(400's are still around and available on the street). Tell me how all the above really relates to the way they will market processors that appear to be the same speed but are in fact worlds apart?

They have done it before without any great problems. They once had 4 different CPUs running at 600MHz for example (600/100 Katmai, 600/133 Katmai, 600/100 CuMine, 600/133CuMine) and all they used to differentiate between them were using simple prefixes. E meant it was a Coppermine core, B meant it was a 133MHz FSB part. This situation will be no different.

They used a simular system to differentiate between Willamette and Northwood versions when they were running at the same speed. (1.6A, 1.8A, 2.0A). To tell the difference between a 533 NW and 400 NW they used a B prefix (2.4B). I'm going by memory here so bite me if I got one of those things wrong, I won't bother to look up the exact details.

I don't see why they simply can't add a 3rd prefix (C?) that will mean it supports 800MHz FSB and HT. Please remind me again what the point of this thread is and where you got the model number idea from? (still waiting for your links)

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
I read that Intel are soon to use Model numbers to signify performance. N E 1 else heard anything like this?

Nope.

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
I.E., How can he tell them apart if they all run at 3.06Ghz and 'Mhz is everything'?

I'm not sure where you got that impression, either... Paul Otellini (Intel COO) and others have said on multiple occasions that mhz isn't everything.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
I read that Intel are soon to use Model numbers to signify performance. N E 1 else heard anything like this?

Nope.

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
I.E., How can he tell them apart if they all run at 3.06Ghz and 'Mhz is everything'?

I'm not sure where you got that impression, either... Paul Otellini (Intel COO) and others have said on multiple occasions that mhz isn't everything.

Thanks Wingznut. But the question remains how will Intel differentiate between these parts when embedded in consumer hardware?

andreasl, the addition of a simple letter has been used before, correct, but this again will not help Joe Shmoe. The point of the thread is, how does the average punter differentiate these apparantley exact systems?

 

[andreasl]

Joe Schmoe buys OEM boxes from places like Dell, Compaq, etc or pre-built systems from computer corner stores. Besides pretty much everywhere I look where CPUs are sold it says what MHz and FSB it's running at. Same for motherboards etc.