Intel To Endorse AMD 64Bit Technology:Update 2-17 Announced and 64bit is already in the P4's!

[dmcowen674]

OK guys, there were 4,800 Developers at this meeting and announcement today, any in here?

The speculation that the 64 bit functionality was already in the Intel p4 turns out to be true.
Is it the AMD style of 64 bit in these Intel chips?

Or is Microsoft making some sort of dual awareness into the 64 bit OS?

2-17-2004 Intel Plans 64-Bit Boost for Server Chips

Intel on Tuesday said it planned to introduce in the coming months a technology to boost the power of data-serving business computers, a strategic shift expected to shake up its rivalry with AMD.

AMD, Intel's much smaller competitor, introduced a similar technology for its computer chips last year. Executives of AMD have said they believe they will have a head start on Intel of one to two years -- a leap forward for a company known more for building inexpensive Intel clones.

Intriguingly, Intel also disclosed that the 64-bit feature already exists in its latest Pentium 4 processor used in the standard PCs that sit on office desks and inside homes. The 64-bit functionality, however, will only be switched on for computers sold as business servers, Intel said.


2-15-2004 AMD Turning the Heat Up on Rivalry with Intel

Intel will likely need to hew to AMD's developments in the 64-bit computing area, if only because Microsoft has agreed to support AMD's technology in an upcoming version of Windows. "We will get credit for establishing pervasive 64-bit computing...

That would give AMD a rare head start against Intel, and one that the Sunnyvale, California-based company does not plan to surrender.

IBM and Sun Microsystems have said they will sell computers that use AMD's Opteron line of chips for data-serving computers used by businesses.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

It's definitely exciting having a good 2 horse race again AMD needs positive cash flow desperately so I certainly hope they profit well off of their 64bit venture.

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
It's definitely exciting having a good 2 horse race again AMD needs positive cash flow desperately so I certainly hope they profit well off of their 64bit venture.

I'll second that! It's a good thing they've been able to keep prices on Opterons & A64 FXs high so far Good for AMD, bad for customers, that is

 

[Sheriff]

Yep and really do they have much of a choice now that some results are out?

 

[lookin4dlz]

I have a feeling that 64-bit is built into Prescott & that maybe we're seeing performance of the Prescott in its 32-bit compatability mode. Intel needed to perfect its manufacturing for the Prescott prior to releasing chips with the 64-bit extensions enabled. Addtionally, Intel didn't want to disrupt its Itanium sales - probably had an agreement with HP that they wouldn't do anything to hurt sales of $50k Itanium systems until development costs were recouped through some sales.

Does anyone remember that Microsoft rebuffed AMD about implementing a 64-bit operating system, now suddenly they have one available? Intel has a history of poo-pooing a technology, all the while working on it behind the scenes & then releasing it on its unsuspecting competition.

Yes, Intel is going to implement 64-bit this year & they've been working with Microsoft to optimize the code to work with their 64-bit chip. I believe Anandtech released benchmarks which showed that the pre-released 64-bit version of Windows didn't run that well on the 64-bit AMD chip. Microsoft isn't going to sepend the $ developing a 64-bit Windows version for 5% of the market (AMD's 15% share times 30% of AMD's chips being 64-bit, which is just a guess).

http://www.chip-architect.com/news/2003_03_26_Prescott_clues_for_Yamhill.html

 

[MDE]

The Win64 benchmarks that AT ran were surprisingly good actually. 32 bit apps showed increases, but gaming was worse because of unoptimized drivers.

 

[SneakyStuff]

an AMD 64 3400+ tramples a P4 EXTREME EDITION! which costs $900 dollars, for a fraction of the cost. AMD has really made a solid chip here, that is specifically geared towards gamers, and the Opteron is supposedly very good for enterprise. When I can get an AMD 64 3000+ (yea, the budget one) for under $200 dollars, that will be fantastic. I've always been an Intel fan, but change is good sometimes

 

[Soulkeeper]

they have to make their prices high to regain some cash from all that r&d and capital needed to upgrade to .09u and their new line of processors
look what intel is charging for the P4EE models

but yeah nice thread here

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: SneakyStuff
an AMD 64 3400+ tramples a P4 EXTREME EDITION! which costs $900 dollars, for a fraction of the cost. AMD has really made a solid chip here, that is specifically geared towards gamers, and the Opteron is supposedly very good for enterprise. When I can get an AMD 64 3000+ (yea, the budget one) for under $200 dollars, that will be fantastic. I've always been an Intel fan, but change is good sometimes

That is why AMD rox!

 

[OddTSi]

Originally posted by: SneakyStuff
an AMD 64 3400+ tramples a P4 EXTREME EDITION! which costs $900 dollars, for a fraction of the cost. AMD has really made a solid chip here, that is specifically geared towards gamers...

Last I checked this thread was about the 64-bit technology that Intel might be coming out with. You're talking to us about 32-bit performance of the AMD64 and P4EE.

 

[SneakyStuff]

Yea, and how AMD has the edge because they took a risk this time, and were successful. But ok, let's get back on topic here.

 

[labrat25]

go AMD!

but i am a bit worried Intel will come out with a A64 compatable chip (since they don't hafta pay royalties)... hopefully AMD has enough of a lead to stay 1 step (or preferably more) ahead of intel

 

[Abzstrak]

Originally posted by: labrat25
go AMD!

but i am a bit worried Intel will come out with a A64 compatable chip (since they don't hafta pay royalties)... hopefully AMD has enough of a lead to stay 1 step (or preferably more) ahead of intel

Y don't they have to pay royalties? AMD had to for MMX and SSE

 

[Aegion]

Originally posted by: Abzstrak

Originally posted by: labrat25
Y don't they have to pay royalties? AMD had to for MMX and SSE

Its always been a bit unclear whether AMD actually had to pay royalties or not, and its pretty much the same thing the other way in this case. (Its safe to say that if royalties are payed they are pretty minor due to legal agreements between the companies after their last set of court battles.)

 

[klah]

Intel and AMD renew license

May 4, 2001 -- Advanced Micro Devices and Intel Corporation today announced the renewal of a long-standing patent cross- license agreement between the companies. Specific terms of the 10-year agreement are confidential.

http://contracts.corporate.findlaw.com/agreements/amd/intel.license.2001.01.01.html

 

[Bassyhead]

awesome

 

[dmcowen674]

OK guys, there were 4,800 Developers at this meeting and announcement today, any in here?

The speculation that the 64 bit functionality was already in the Intel p4 turns out to be true.
Is it the AMD style of 64 bit in these Intel chips?

Or is Microsoft making some sort of dual awareness into the 64 bit OS?

2-17-2004 Intel Plans 64-Bit Boost for Server Chips

Intel on Tuesday said it planned to introduce in the coming months a technology to boost the power of data-serving business computers, a strategic shift expected to shake up its rivalry with AMD.

AMD, Intel's much smaller competitor, introduced a similar technology for its computer chips last year. Executives of AMD have said they believe they will have a head start on Intel of one to two years -- a leap forward for a company known more for building inexpensive Intel clones.

Intriguingly, Intel also disclosed that the 64-bit feature already exists in its latest Pentium 4 processor used in the standard PCs that sit on office desks and inside homes. The 64-bit functionality, however, will only be switched on for computers sold as business servers, Intel said.

 

[redpriest_]

64-bit technology is in prescott, just not enabled. I expect that we won't see anything until the new socket, if then.