Intel to build 2.5-billion-dollar China chip plant

[ericlp]

And so it begins...

I'm telling you... were fools for moving all of our manufacturing plants there.... I think the government should step in and keep bleeding edge tech here in the states. Yeah, so what the story says low end first then high end later. I don't buy that. When Intel figures out China can make 5-10K more chips per month at the same cost or lower ... Every chip will be made there. Say good bye to the tech jobs in the NW.

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What happens when they figure out how to compete with Intel and AMD? Say good bye to the whole industry. It's only a matter of time...

And SCREW just stopping Intel or any other high tech from going to china, lets stop handing out ZILLIONS of dollars to this F'ed up faith based BS, and start pouring money back into the tech sector before we lose it all!

 

[babylon5]

Cheap labor already dominates at low skill sector. Just matter of time. Even Greenspan wants things that way.

 

[jpeyton]

You prefer Costa Rica and Malaysia? I don't really see the difference.

 

[Moonbeam]

And so it begins? Jesus, it began long ago.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ericlp
And so it begins...

I'm telling you... were fools for moving all of our manufacturing plants there.... I think the government should step in and keep bleeding edge tech here in the states. Yeah, so what the story says low end first then high end later. I don't buy that. When Intel figures out China can make 5-10K more chips per month at the same cost or lower ... Every chip will be made there. Say good bye to the tech jobs in the NW.

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What happens when they figure out how to compete with Intel and AMD? Say good bye to the whole industry. It's only a matter of time...

And SCREW just stopping Intel or any other high tech from going to china, lets stop handing out ZILLIONS of dollars to this F'ed up faith based BS, and start pouring money back into the tech sector before we lose it all!

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
And so it begins? Jesus, it began long ago.

Really, I posted threads about this stuff years ago and get labeled as a crackpot.

I may be a crackpot but all this is pretty old now.

 

[JEDIYoda]

old news

 

[Genx87]

And AMD built two fabs in Dresden Germany.
Tis the nature of the global market beast.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

build where your potential markets are going to be

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: Genx87
And AMD built two fabs in Dresden Germany.
Tis the nature of the global market beast.

If people like Rumsfeld had their way we would place mmissile defense systems in Germany (instead of Poland . . . pre-Schroeder). That's a bit different from talking about why we need missile defense.

Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld has already cited China as a major reason to move ahead with NMD deployment, independent of implications for the ABM Treaty. In addition to China?s concern that an NMD program might eliminate China?s small strategic nuclear deterrent, China is concerned about U.S. plans for TMD. The major Chinese concern is TMD?s potential application to Taiwan. A second Chinese concern is the impact of TMD in East Asia.

NMD is a waste regardless but let's not pretend that globalization to Europe is the same as China.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Genx87
And AMD built two fabs in Dresden Germany.
Tis the nature of the global market beast.

Germans get paid $2.96 hr???

 

[piasabird]

Almost all computer silicone, memory, and motherboards are all made in China. Not only that, but most of the components are all made in that region as well.

It is sad that we can trust the Chinese more than the countries in South America.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Almost all computer silicone, memory, and motherboards are all made in China. Not only that, but most of the components are all made in that region as well.

It is sad that we can trust the Chinese more than the countries in South America.

What's sad is not seeing a problem with using cheap foreign labour to build things that said labour can never purchase.

Before the whining, before the insane strikes, before 'seniority rules', before outsourcing, the idea that 'the guy who builds a chevy ought to be able to buy one' helped make the western world great.

(Note that I said 'chevy', not 'cadillac').

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: piasabird
Almost all computer silicone, memory, and motherboards are all made in China. Not only that, but most of the components are all made in that region as well.

It is sad that we can trust the Chinese more than the countries in South America.

What's sad is not seeing a problem with using cheap foreign labour to build things that said labour can never purchase.

Before the whining, before the insane strikes, before 'seniority rules', before outsourcing, the idea that 'the guy who builds a chevy ought to be able to buy one' helped make the western world great.

(Note that I said 'chevy', not 'cadillac').

Car ownership in China is skyrocketing. So is ownership of PCs.

Do not equate their wages to their purchasing power.

This is one of the mistakes purposely made by people trying to guilt others out of their money. Its not a fair comparison to state that workers in one are earn mere dollars a day until you get the full picture of cost of living and standards of living. Applying what we believe to be a fair and honest wage would be extravagant if not downright wasteful to many overseas.

 

[Scarpozzi]

I just wish China would quit screwing around with their Yuan value or whatever. They are basically screwing everyone by not having a solid currency system. It fluctuates the way the government wants it to...

The number one problem with putting any company in china is that there are already enough companies moving labor there and they don't seem to care how much they pay the workers as long as it's less than the US wages.

So you end up with an inferior workforce that is overpayed. Mismanagement is ruling over there for US companies. Look at how GM has been overpaying there...

 

[magomago]

I don't get it - you want Malaysia instead?

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: piasabird
Almost all computer silicone, memory, and motherboards are all made in China. Not only that, but most of the components are all made in that region as well.

It is sad that we can trust the Chinese more than the countries in South America.

What's sad is not seeing a problem with using cheap foreign labour to build things that said labour can never purchase.

Before the whining, before the insane strikes, before 'seniority rules', before outsourcing, the idea that 'the guy who builds a chevy ought to be able to buy one' helped make the western world great.

(Note that I said 'chevy', not 'cadillac').

Car ownership in China is skyrocketing. So is ownership of PCs.

Do not equate their wages to their purchasing power.

This is one of the mistakes purposely made by people trying to guilt others out of their money. Its not a fair comparison to state that workers in one are earn mere dollars a day until you get the full picture of cost of living and standards of living. Applying what we believe to be a fair and honest wage would be extravagant if not downright wasteful to many overseas.

So the average chinese factory worker can afford a car, and a pc?

If not, then my complaint is a good one, if so, this is a serious indication of anti-competitve practices raising prices here.

The 'law of one price' doesn't hold the world over, and there are many reasons for this. But when it gets really ridiculously out of whack, someone's cheating.

 

[rchiu]

I don't get it, maybe those ppl with experience in chip manufacturing can educate me here. But how labor intensive can chip manufacturing be? It's not like you can hire ppl to put transistor on those cpus by hand. Isn't chip manufacturing mostly machine based? How much can Intel save by going with cheap labor? If it's the cost of land, I bet out there in Nebraska or Montana isn't too expensive too, and with railroad/highway system, it's cheap to ship to major city or seaports. Maybe I am wrong here, but if American government want, there must be something they can do to keep some of the manufacturing here. At least you won't be letting Chinese learn all those advance manufacturing capability to once day bite u in the butt.

 

[Rainsford]

Maybe it's just me, but while I applaud international capitalism, I wonder about the wisdom of putting your business secrets in the hands of people with zero respect for intellectual property. Does Intel really want to help finance their future competition from Chinese "homegrown" processor manufacturers?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Almost all computer silicone, memory, and motherboards are all made in China. Not only that, but most of the components are all made in that region as well.

It is sad that we can trust the Chinese more than the countries in South America.

Most semiconductor manufacturing is not in China.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: rchiu
I don't get it, maybe those ppl with experience in chip manufacturing can educate me here. But how labor intensive can chip manufacturing be? It's not like you can hire ppl to put transistor on those cpus by hand. Isn't chip manufacturing mostly machine based? How much can Intel save by going with cheap labor? If it's the cost of land, I bet out there in Nebraska or Montana isn't too expensive too, and with railroad/highway system, it's cheap to ship to major city or seaports. Maybe I am wrong here, but if American government want, there must be something they can do to keep some of the manufacturing here. At least you won't be letting Chinese learn all those advance manufacturing capability to once day bite u in the butt.

You have a bunch of technicians, operators, and engineers working 24 hours a day.

 

[Zorba]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Maybe it's just me, but while I applaud international capitalism, I wonder about the wisdom of putting your business secrets in the hands of people with zero respect for intellectual property. Does Intel really want to help finance their future competition from Chinese "homegrown" processor manufacturers?

This is exactly what I was thinking. China loves to reverse engineer things. Even still companies are lining up at the gates to give China as much knowledge as possible, all in the name of short term profits.

I also have to wounder how many of our "high-tech" weapons could be produced without imports from China.

 

[elmro]

AMD also has a plant coming online in upstate NY.

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-6087530.html

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: Zorba

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Maybe it's just me, but while I applaud international capitalism, I wonder about the wisdom of putting your business secrets in the hands of people with zero respect for intellectual property. Does Intel really want to help finance their future competition from Chinese "homegrown" processor manufacturers?

This is exactly what I was thinking. China loves to reverse engineer things. Even still companies are lining up at the gates to give China as much knowledge as possible, all in the name of short term profits.

I also have to wounder how many of our "high-tech" weapons could be produced without imports from China.

You can reverse engineer any cpu you like by putting it in a good SEM. It'll take forever though.

The best bet would be to steal actual design documents, but my guess is they don't let that kind of thing float around on the lunchroom billboard.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: Zorba

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Maybe it's just me, but while I applaud international capitalism, I wonder about the wisdom of putting your business secrets in the hands of people with zero respect for intellectual property. Does Intel really want to help finance their future competition from Chinese "homegrown" processor manufacturers?

This is exactly what I was thinking. China loves to reverse engineer things. Even still companies are lining up at the gates to give China as much knowledge as possible, all in the name of short term profits.

I also have to wounder how many of our "high-tech" weapons could be produced without imports from China.

You can reverse engineer any cpu you like by putting it in a good SEM. It'll take forever though.

The best bet would be to steal actual design documents, but my guess is they don't let that kind of thing float around on the lunchroom billboard.

 

[compuwiz1]

China is going bite America in the ass, someday. We will see it in this lifetime. We blew up Japan, then helped them rebuild. Look at the financial power they have become, globally. Look at how many automobiles, of Japanese origin are sold here in the USA.

Hopefully, someday, we will get an administration, who realizes it is time to reverse this trend.

Anyone with proper upbringing knows, you do not feed dogs who bite you.