Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[witeken]

If 10nm is not coming till 2017 I think we can expect another Devil's Canyon style refresh and Iris Pro GT4e variants next year. Core i7 6700K probably packs GT2 graphics.

Intel wouldn't start the 10nm spending in Q4'14 if they plan the release in 2017.

 

[mikk]

Late Q3/early Q4. RTS plan is August-October if nothing changed in the last weeks.

 

[Ajay]

Speculation. Mainboard launch is in Q3, better forget about June.

If true that is fine by me. I'm looking at asking for an upgrade from my wife for Christmas. I like to wait at least to at least six months after a hard launch before I build that that I get updated firmware and mobo revisions with the early bugs removed.

I too have seen the chipset slides b/4.

 

[Sweepr]

Intel wouldn't start the 10nm spending in Q4'14 if they plan the release in 2017.

I hope they release Cannonlake-Y/U in 2016 and speed up their post-Broxton Atom roadmap.

 

[witeken]

I hope they release Cannonlake-Y/U in 2016 and speed up their post-Broxton Atom roadmap.

I wish some investor would ask if Atom is still an equal citizen to Core given that BDW-Y launched substantially earlier than CT.

 

[cytg111]

Speech HW acceleration ? what the ... hw neural constructs?

 

[Idontcare]

Dammit people. If you want to use French, at least spell the words correctly. It's "vis-à-vis", not "visa vi", which are a credit card and a text editor.

That made me laugh, "a credit card and a text editor"

 

[Magic Carpet]

That made me laugh, "a credit card and a text editor"

Me too. Not everybody likes Vi, though

 

[Sweepr]

Devil's Canyon was launched 2 years after Ivy Bridge. Now we got 4GHz base clock in 14nm process's first year. Core i7 3770K debuted at 3.5GHz base.

Does anyone know the EU count for GT2 Skylake? Graphics performance should be considerably faster than Haswell.

 

[witeken]

Does anyone know the EU count for GT2 Skylake?

24

 

[Ajay]

Me too. Not everybody likes Vi, though

I used to love VI for run-time editing of applications on an RTOS.
XEmacs for C/C++ though (with a ton of custom scripts).

 

[Ajay]

Intel wouldn't start the 10nm spending in Q4'14 if they plan the release in 2017.

The ramp up for spending on Fab28 (Israel) is Q3/Q4 of 2015. The test fab is in Oregon, but it's not a HV fab, AFAIK. If the ramp up to HVM goes like BDW, how long till we start seeing significant quantities of Cannonlake (M3?)?

 

[frozentundra123456]

Yes! Low turbo (only 5% vs 10% on HW) is a bit concerning vis-à-vis overclocking - may be less headroom than HW

They are saving the extra 0.3 ghz of turbo for Skylake refresh in 2016. Then they can say "the fastest clocked intel cpu ever"!!

Seriously though, these clocks are better than I expected, and certainly better than the FUD the 14nm naysayers were spreading around. (assuming those leaked specs are correct)

I am concerned though that there is so much emphasis on graphics, especially on the desktop. I am hoping for around 15% cpu improvement over Haswell, since it is a 2 generation leap. I am also concerned about the lack of leaked benchmarks and the H2 2015 release date. That could easily mean token releases at the end of the year, with good availability only in 2016.

OTOH, it is just primarily a hobby I have to follow the tech. I will probably just stick with my Sandy i5 no matter what, as it is more than enough for everyday use and good enough for the games I am interested in.

Edit: Matter of fact, the most excited I have been for a game since the launch of DA:I is that I finally got Galactic Battlegrounds working on Win7 and I have been playing a lot of RON HD remake.

 

[Hulk]

If we don't have a Broadwell desktop processor release before Skylake desktop it will be very difficult to quantify performance improvements from Broadwell. It's almost as if Intel doesn't want us to recognize Haswell>Broadwell (5%)>Skylake (5%) but instead want us to only see the 10% number from Haswell to Broadwell. And yes, we don't know that Broadwell to Skylake will be 5% but that's my prediction on an IPC basis.

Not that is matters to me. I'm a sucker and I'll upgrade my 4770k to 6700k as soon as Microcenter advertises them at a good price.

 

[coolpurplefan]

Good to know the next processor I might buy has a name, the i5 6600. If I'd find the 6700 on sale I might be tempted though. I hope they publish 4690 vs. 6600 benchmarks.

 

[jhu]

Me too. Not everybody likes Vi, though

Blasphemy!

 

[ehume]

Thanks, my bad. BTW, it's accepted in the English language, though with the correct French spelling (like so many other foreign sayings adopted by English speakers).

"Visa vi" is not "accepted" in English. We use 'vis-à-vis.' Go check a dictionary.

 

[jdubs03]

who cares? doesn't matter at all.

 

[Ajay]

"Visa vi" is not "accepted" in English. We use 'vis-à-vis.' Go check a dictionary.

I made a spelling mistake. You made a reading comprehension error - go figure

 

[ClockHound]

There's one line in there that has me quivering - Enhanced Full Range BCLK Overclocking.

Does this mean we finally get a chip that goes to 11?!

Or does 'Full Range' in Intelspeek mean it goes from 100 to 133?

 

[cbn]

There's one line in there that has me quivering - Enhanced Full Range BCLK Overclocking.

Does this mean we finally get a chip that goes to 11?!

Or does 'Full Range' in Intelspeek mean it goes from 100 to 133?

I saw that, but I wonder if BCLK overclocking will be limited to K SKUs?

Yes, it doesn't make that much sense do that when the K chips already have the unlocked multiplier, but that is what Intel did with Haswell and strap overclocking.

EDIT: Notice what it says under superscript 1 in the foot notes. Yep, Pretty sure that feature will be limited to K or X SKUs only.

 

[Sweepr]

Don't read too much into it. I bet non-K Skylake gets improved BCLK overclocking too.

 

[Sweepr]

This will be a tough year for the competition. With Broadwell GT3e, 4GHz Skylake and a full new line-up they will have to slash 2012 FX prices again. Kaveri Refresh should debut at lower prices too.
As GTA 5 shown, performance per core matters, especially on the gaming side.

 

[Nothingness]

Me too. Not everybody likes Vi, though

Indeed but visaemacs doesn't sound right.

 

[Sweepr]

As far as performance goes I can only remmember about these leaks:

The hyperthreaded Haswell quad-core here (4770K) runs at 3.7 GHz with turbo boost and attains a score of 114.58 GFLOPs.

This Skylake quad-core presumably running at 2.3 GHz attains a score of 91.8 GFLOPs

Haswell's clock speed (3.7 GHz) divided by Skylake's (2.3 GHz) = 1.6087 times higher clock speed

Skylake's arithmetic score (91.8) multiplied by 1.6087 = 147.68 GFLOPs

147.68 GFLOPs (Skylake's theorized score at 3.7 GHz) divided by the equivalent Haswell score at the same clock speed (114.58) = 1.29x higher IPC, again based only on these assumptions of accuracy and scaling. I know SiSoft is far from a perfect source of specs and conditions, but for now it's all we have.

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic...ion-and-30-ipc-improvement-over-haswellupdate

www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/anto...rchitectural-advantages-of-skylake-processors

Anything else? I'm trying to keep my expectations low. 10-15% better IPC compared to Haswell is more reasonable.