Intel re-writes Moore's Law in newspaper ad.

techs

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In yesterdays NY Times the Intel company took out a full page ad with the headline:
"Why 2006 will be a Leap Year."
This is in reference to all the wonderful products they will be introducing in 2006.
The line that caught my attention:
"Over 40 years ago, our co-founder, Gordon Moore boldly predicted that the number of transistors on a computer chip will double every two years"
Now as I learned it and verified by Wikipedia the number will double about every 18 months. Seems like a small thing, 6 months. But it changes the predicted amount of chips hugely. And Intel is just plain lying as I have to presume they know the truth about Moores Law.
It just ticks me off that this kind of bold faced lie doesn't stir up outrage. When a company lies it us up to knowledgable consumers to call them on it and get the word out.
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: techs
Now as I learned it and verified by Wikipedia the number will double about every 18 months.
Um...Wikipedia says:

Moore 1965: "at a rate of roughly a factor of two per year"
Moore 1975: "In 1975, Moore projected a doubling only every two years. He is adamant that he himself never said 'every 18 months', but that is how it has been quoted."

How now does Wikipedia verify 18 months?

 

techs

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Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: techs
Now as I learned it and verified by Wikipedia the number will double about every 18 months.
Um...Wikipedia says:

Moore 1965: "at a rate of roughly a factor of two per year"
Moore 1975: "In 1975, Moore projected a doubling only every two years. He is adamant that he himself never said 'every 18 months', but that is how it has been quoted."

How now does Wikipedia verify 18 months?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moores_law

The most popular formulation is of the doubling of the number of transistors on integrated circuits (a rough measure of computer processing power) every 18 months. At the end of the 1970s, Moore's Law became known as the limit for the number of transistors on the most complex chips

However I didn't see the part you refernced so I am wrong on this one.
thanks

 

dullard

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Originally posted by: techs
However I didn't see the part you refernced so I am wrong on this one.
thanks
No problem. Too many of us (me included) just read the first paragraph and skip the rest of the article. It would work if the first paragraph would agree with the article...

 

dahunan

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I had thought I remembered 18 months also .. huh.. I would have been wrong too

Look at how many people think it is 18 months
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=n...2005-35,GGLG:en&q=moores+law+18+months

but I found this piece
Moore also affirmed he never said transistor count would double every 18 months, as is commonly said. Initially, he said transistors on a chip would double every year. He then recalibrated it to every two years in 1975. David House, an Intel executive at the time, noted that the changes would cause computer performance to double every 18 months.

House actually came close. Computer power is doubling around every 20 months. Nonetheless, "House said 18 months, not me," Moore said.
http://news.com.com/Moores+Law+to+roll+...another+decade/2100-1001_3-984051.html
 

judasmachine

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we all know that cpus are suffering from diminishing returns. but what do i know, i am still using a 3.0C. it is funny how they misquote their co-founder though.
 

DaveSimmons

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Originally posted by: judasmachine
we all know that cpus are suffering from diminishing returns. but what do i know, i am still using a 3.0C. it is funny how they misquote their co-founder though.
It's funny how people post without reading the thread :)

18 months has been used in eleventy billion articles and it's the only number I've ever seen, dahunan's link is the first I've seen to contradict that number.
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: techs
In yesterdays NY Times the Intel company took out a full page ad with the headline:
"Why 2006 will be a Leap Year."
This is in reference to all the wonderful products they will be introducing in 2006.
The line that caught my attention:
"Over 40 years ago, our co-founder, Gordon Moore boldly predicted that the number of transistors on a computer chip will double every two years"
Now as I learned it and verified by Wikipedia the number will double about every 18 months. Seems like a small thing, 6 months. But it changes the predicted amount of chips hugely. And Intel is just plain lying as I have to presume they know the truth about Moores Law.
It just ticks me off that this kind of bold faced lie doesn't stir up outrage. When a company lies it us up to knowledgable consumers to call them on it and get the word out.

Is this really bothering you? If so, seek help.
 

Harvey

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Hold on, Hoss! Before you lose yourself in trivia, you may as well get a reality check. Gordon Moore's bio on Intel's site says:
Gordon E. Moore

Chairman Emeritus of the board


Gordon E. Moore is currently Chairman Emeritus of Intel Corporation. Moore co-founded Intel in 1968, serving initially as Executive Vice President. He became President and Chief Executive Officer in 1975 and held that post until elected Chairman and Chief Executive Officer in 1979. He remained CEO until 1987 and was named Chairman Emeritus in 1997.

Moore is widely known for "Moore's Law," in which in 1965 he predicted that the number of transistors the industry would be able to place on a computer chip would double every year. In 1975, he updated his prediction to once every two years. While originally intended as a rule of thumb in 1965, it has become the guiding principle for the industry to deliver ever-more-powerful semiconductor chips at proportionate decreases in cost.
Another source cites the 18 month figure.
Moore's Law

(m?rz lâ) (n.) The observation made in 1965 by Gordon Moore, co-founder of Intel, that the number of transistors per square inch on integrated circuits had doubled every year since the integrated circuit was invented. Moore predicted that this trend would continue for the foreseeable future. In subsequent years, the pace slowed down a bit, but data density has doubled approximately every 18 months, and this is the current definition of Moore's Law, which Moore himself has blessed. Most experts, including Moore himself, expect Moore's Law to hold for at least another two decades
 

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Politics and News a little slow?

Who cares about intel/moore's law.

They aren't even making more complex hardware instructions, just more cache...
 

techs

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Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: techs
Hey it gets more interesting. I found the ad on the Intel website and they changed the two years to 24 months. Wonder why they made the slight change? I mean its still 2 years.
Here's the link: (you must click the More button to see the part I am referring to)
http://www.intel.com/intel/vision/?iid=HMPAGE+Feature_06ww01

How is that interesting?

As it relates to Intel screwing the pooch with the P4's mega long pipeline. It looks like revisionist history.
Instead of reading about Intels upcoming great cpu's I would like to actuall be able to buy a great cpu from Intel.