Intel RAID for non-OS drives (on z68 board) after Windows has been installed?

destrekor

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What is the best method to do this, without reinstalling Windows with F6 drivers?

I want to raid my two HDDs together, likely going the Intel RST/fakeraid route (fakeraid all the way regardless, I'm not planning on buying a RAID controller). I already have my OS on separate storage (SSD), but Windows won't boot if I change the SATA controller to RAID versus the default AHCI. I expected this based on what I had read of the situation, but I had to try it regardless. :)

I had read of a registry edit (one minor edit, changing a binary value) that supposedly allows the system to boot just fine. I'll have to see if I can dig that back up, the idiot that I am didn't bookmark it.

Also, any opinions on Intel's Matrix RAID? I'm sort of interested in the same two drives offering both a RAID 1 volume and also a RAID 0 volume. If I can safely keep the data I want mirrored and yet also have a performance increase for other things, that would be cool.

The main thing, I just want to get these two HDDs into RAID 1 at the least, and I want to be able to do it without hassle.
 

Diogenes2

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Actually, changing AHCI to RAID shouldn't cause any problems by itself .. ( didn't for me )
It uses the same drivers ..

You may have some other issue going on ..
 

destrekor

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Actually, changing AHCI to RAID shouldn't cause any problems by itself .. ( didn't for me )
It uses the same drivers ..

You may have some other issue going on ..

We have the same mobo, so I want to figure this one out. :)

You already had Windows installed, on a SATA disk of some sort, and also had other hard drives already sitting on the motherboard SATA connections... and you changed your SATA setting (which apparently covers the SATA3 OS drive I have and the SATA2 drives I wish to have in RAID) to RAID and were still able to boot into Windows fine without doing anything else?

I installed the Intel RST software and then rebooted and changed SATA to RAID mode, and Windows 7 on my SSD crashes during the initial bootup w/logo sequence.

Did you install RAID drivers while installing Windows? I had not done that, and different forum posts lead me to believe that not doing so results in exactly what I am experiencing if you decide to do it after-the-fact.
 

Diogenes2

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It is my understanding that the only time you have HDD controller issues with re-booting, is when you install Windows with the SATA controller in IDE mode, and you later try to switch to AHCI/RAID. It requires a registry hack or re-install of Windows.

I had Windows Running on a120gb Vertex 2 with AHCI enabled . This was on an ASUS P8P67 Pro ..

I wanted to check out SSD caching on a new system I was putting together, so I used Win7 image back-up, to move my OS to a WD 150gb drive on the P8Z68 Deluxe, which was set for AHCI ..

Once I had it up and running with the cloned image, I changed the BIOS to RAID ( Required for SSD caching ) and went from there without having to install drivers or make other changes ..

I don't know if it made any difference, but I didn't install RST until after I changed the BIOS to RAID .. I don't think it should matter.

Are you sure your BIOS was set to AHCI, and not IDE ?

If it was set to IDE you will have to do the registry hack, which is really easy, or re-install Windows..

Here is a guide for changing the registry.

http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/9...o-ahci-without-repairingreinstalling-windows/
 

nanaki333

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setting drives to RAID automatically sets AHCI. switching back to AHCI won't cause a problem.

Intel website
If you are using a SATA hard drive, set your BIOS to RAID mode. RAID mode provides the greatest overall flexibility and upgradeability because it allows your system to be RAID ready and enable AHCI.

if all you are interested in is raid1, if you're running windows, you can mirror your volumes straight through windows with or without raid enabled in disk management.
 

destrekor

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I can verify my system is running perfectly fine with SATA set to AHCI (which was default, I remember that clearly).
My SATA3 SSD is on one of the Intel SATA3 ports, and my SATA2 HDDs are on the Intel SATA2 ports.
OS is installed to SSD, and is running fine when SATA is left set to AHCI.

I also just updated to the most recent non-beta BIOS for the P8Z68 Deluxe, and also made sure to update to their latest specified Intel RST driver.
But when I reboot into BIOS and change the SATA setting to RAID, Windows will crash a moment into the Windows 7 logo loading screen.

I'm thinking I'll try uninstalling the Intel driver, and seeing if Windows will boot with RAID enabled in BIOS.
 

Emulex

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what about using the 20gb slc msata for caching MLC? what would the live expansion be?
 

destrekor

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Well, I fixed it.

With one single registry key edit.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE>SYSTEM>CurrentControlSet>Services>iaStorV
Change "Start" from 3 to 0

After that change, I rebooted, made the change to RAID in BIOS, and Windows loaded fine. Once I was back in Windows, I loaded up Intel's RST software and starting configuring the RAID Array and volumes.
 

TomasMascinskas

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Hey, i just spent around 4 or 5 days non stop trying to change my system from being installed on a single 240gb ssd to raid 0 on 2 ssds totaling around 480gps, now i didnt want to start from scartch (reinstalling windows, programs, etc) so initially i had windows 7 ultimate 64 bit installed with native ide on 1 ssd, now the problem was that i ran out of that 240gb, so i read into it that instead of buying a ssd thats 480gps it would be more beneficial to buy the same ssd and turn it on raid 0, performance boost and cheaper, so i brought another one, backedup the ssd drive into an image on another hdd, setup the raid array, recovered the image onto the new raid array, but from there on i had problems, anyway, after researching and going through 100s of pages on the new about reg tweaks, raid setups, windows settups, installing programs and so on, since everywhere i read each guide still had so much stuff left out, i wrote out the perfect guide on it, so that i know exactly whats what so i dont get stuck again, anyway, i thought its only right that i share this knowledge to the world to save people time and know how to go about this, so here is the guide, just a tip, read every single thing to educate yourself the most and know exactly what is what:

first of all disconnect all sata ports, connect the drive that we will backup, and the drive that we will backup to, to port 4, 5, because we will later enable ports 0, 1, 2, 3, 6, 7 to raid and if the drives were connected those ports, windows wouldve rebooted on "windows starting", by default with this system raid is disabled, if it isnt disable it then start the pc, keep pressing del to get into the bios, go to integrated peripherals, go to onchip sata controller, enable, onchip sata type, native ide, onchip sata3.0 support, enable, onboard gsata/ide ctrl, enable, onboard sata/ide ctrl mode, ide, press f10, press enter, reboot to windows, go to start, in the search box type regedit, press enter, navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\, for the following list, click on the folder of the same name from the list, then within the folder on the right, double click on start and change the paremeter to the information from the list:
atapi Start = 3 (THIS IS IDE, HAVE IT ON 3 SINCE 3 MEANS OFF)
iaStor = 3 (THIS IS INTEL RAID, HAVE IT ON 3 SINCE 3 MEANS OFF)
iastorV Start = 0 (THIS IS WINDOWS RAID, HAVE IT ON 0 SINCE 0 MEANS ON)
intelide Start = 3 (THIS IS IDE, HAVE IT ON 3 SINCE 3 MEANS OFF)
msahci Start = 3 (THIS IS AHCI, HAVE IT ON 3 SINCE 3 MEANS OFF)
pciide = 3 (THIS IS IDE, HAVE IT ON 3 SINCE 3 MEANS OFF)
once done go to file, exit, shut down the pc without force rebooting, so the software raid is now manually configured, installed and all ports will read the drives if set to raid, reboot, keep pressing del to get into the bios, go to integrated peripherals, onchip sata, raid (THIS ENABLES RAID ON PORTS 0, 1, 2, 3, BUT WINDOWS WONT BOOT WITHOUT THE NEXT CONFIGURATIONs SO DO IT TOO), onchip sata port4/5 type, sata as sata, (THIS ENABLES RAID ON PORTS 4, 5), onchip sata raid5 support, disable (THIS IS NECESSARY OTHERWISE WINDOWS WONT BOOT), onboard sata/ide ctrl mode, raid/ide, (THIS ENABLES RAID ON PORTS 6 AND 7, AND MAKES THE ONCHIP SATA BOOT UP, IT IS VERY NECESARY WE ENABLE THIS RAID, BECAUSE IF WE DONT TURN THIS ON THEN PLUG THE SATA CABLE INTO PORT 0, 1, 2, 3 WINDOWS WILL REBOOT, BUT WITH THE ONBOARD SATA/IDE CTRL MODE ON RAID/IDE, YOU CAN CONNECT IT TO PORTS 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 AND WINDOWS WILL BOOT UP, now that the raid is setup through software and hardware you wont get errors like say you connect cd dvd drive to a raid configured port, that drive will encounter errors like when installing windows you will get an error saying: "a required cd dvd drive device driver is missing..." or when your recovering a backup using acronis "failed to read from sector 0 of hard disk 1", and other hard drives wont even be viewable), press f10, press enter, reboot to windows, once rebooted into windows, at the bottom right you can see a little green dot spinning, this is windows installing drivers for the raid controllers, once its done it will ask you to restart, so click on restart now, once back in windows, give it 5 minutes to see if windows will install more drivers automatically, if not turn of the pc, disconnect all the sata cables from the ports, and connect the drive we are going to back up to the blue port 0, the new ssd drive to port 1, the drive we are going to back up to to port 2 and a cd dvd drive to port 3, once again very necessary that we connect to the blue port as its sata 3 which means its 6gps rather then the white port which is sata 2 3gps, once done, turn the pc on, again check if windows installs drivers, if it does and asks you to reboot, do so, repeat until it doesnt install any more, once thats done, go to start > all programs > acronis > acronis true image home > acronis true image home, back up system, at the top right click on multiple systems selected, then at further top right, click on click on switch to disk mode, check the source drive, in destination select the destination drive you want to write to, in the backup scheme, click on the blue hyperlink, in the backup method select full, at the bottom left check save the settings as default, click on the performance tab, in compression level click and drag to none, click on ok, click on backup now at the bottom right, this may take an hour or more, once done, click on the backup and recovery tab at the top, click on create bootable media, click on next, check everything, click on next twice, select your disc writer, click on next, put a compact disc into your disc writer, click on proceed, click on ok when done, make a note of the name, drive letter, model number, data size, of the source drive and the destination drive, close the program and shut down the pc, start the pc, now there will be a boot bios screen, then raid setup utility, on that screen, and only then (dont tap as it wont work) ctrl + f, press 2 to enter ld view / ld define menu, press ctrl + c, to scroll through the selection press up or down, to change the parameter space, change raid mode to raid 0, for stripe block, the higher the number the faster performance for larger files, for example video games, videos, and so on, whilst smaller the number is for smaller files like text files, word and so on, but since im a media person, video games, media, the best would be larger for me so choose 128 kb, now go down to the drive selection, press space to change the parameter to y, change to y to the drives you want in the array, press ctrl + y to save settings, then again, and change the name to programs, press enter, press ctrl + y again to erase the master boot record of those disks, press any key to use maximum capacity of the array, now you are done and can press esc to exit the setup, press esc then y to reboot, now to restore the image to the new hdd, disconnect all usb drives expect the mouse and keyboard, boot the pc and keep pressing 12 to enter boot menu, insert the compact disc in the disc writer, select cdrom, press enter, select acronis true image home, press enter, in recover click on my disks, navigate to the recovery file, click on next, make sure recover whole disks and partitions are checked, click on next, check everything, check the drive we are going to recover to (the raid array), click on next, click on proceed, the programs drive should have increase the capacity to max and the active partition should be the system reserved one, check restart the computer when recovery is completed, once done and back in windows, eject the disk, windows may install drivers again, once its done it will ask you to restart, so click on restart now, once back in windows, give it 5 minutes to see if windows will install more drivers automatically, if not turn off the pc, connect the rest of the drives to the sata ports, now turn on the pc and keep pressing del to enter the bios, advanced bios features, hard disk boot priority, change the new raid array to the top, press f10, press y, press enter to reboot, now that your back in windows, windows may install drivers again, once its done it will ask you to restart, so click on restart now, once back in windows, give it 5 minutes to see if windows will install more drivers automatically, if it doesnt, check that all the drives appear in my computer and are assigned the correct drive letter, if they are not, go to start, search, disk management, press enter, right click on each disk one by one at the bottom where the blue rows are, (excluding the raid array), change drive letter and path, click on remove, click on yes twice, repeat but this time add and assing the letter to the list above, including the cd dvd drive, once done, reboot the pc.

hope this helps you

Tomas Mascinskas