Intel Q8200 or Phenom II x4?

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keatonjohnson

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Hello,

I'm just starting my first build, and was curious to which processor I should use. I'm using this PC for mostly gaming, and since it is my very first build, it would be helpful if I could hear some different opinions on the processor I should buy.

Thanks,
Keaton
 
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Stumps

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If I was building for myself, I'd probably go the X4 route...but's that because I'm bored with running Intels and I'm considering going back to AMD for awhile.

What X4 were you considering using?
 
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Stumps

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Originally posted by: keatonjohnson
Originally posted by: Stumps
If I was building for myself, I'd probably go the X4 route...but's that because I'm bored with running Intels and I'm considering going back to AMD for awhile.

What X4 were you considering using?
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819103471
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nice, I'd go with that over the Q8200, especially if you plan to overclock it.

What board are you planning on using if you go the AMD route, my pick would be the
GA-MA790FX-UD5P, mainly because I won't use any other brand mobo.

I'm sure other can suggest other decent boards if you don't like Gigabytes.

Have you got any basic specs in mind?

 
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drizek

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With the huge discount on the motherboard combo, it seems like a great deal. That is a seriously nice board and it comes out free after mail in rebate. The 8200 with motherboard is going to run you about a hundred dollars more, and you still have 700mz clock speed difference. If you aren't going to overclock, AMD, no question. The $100 you save is going to be much better spent on a video card, and at stock speed the AMD is going to be faster than the intel anyway.
 
TurtleCrusher

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It's a toss up between those two processors. At stock clocks the Phenom wins or ties most of the time. With overclocking I'd imagine its quite different. Most people can get their Q8200's up to 3.4-3.6ghz stable, but don't feel the need for so much power (in my situation, temps are a problem past 3.3ghz). That Phenom X4 will overclock to 3.6ghz but will be much less efficient per clock (10-30%), which shows its true power. If i was buying a new computer with a budget, I'd get the Q8400 (2.66ghz, which leads to much better overclocks and is only a little bit more expensive then the Q8200) and the Gigabyte UD3R, which is a killer overclocking motherboard. The Q8400 certainly beats the X4 940 at stock speeds, and overclocking should show you a new level of performance.

Q8400 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819115057

EP45-UD3R - http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813128359
 
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deputc26

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I don't believe the q8200 has VT --> Phenom II wins.
The 940 is also faster than the q8200.
 
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Scholzpdx said that Q8400 certainly beats the 940 @ stock speeds and he couldn't be more wrong.

Anandtech tested both cpus and the 940 won 15 and lost 5 benches against the Q8400. Out of these 4 where games and the 940 won 3.

Go 940 and you won't regret
 
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OCGuy

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Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Originally posted by: OCguy
$169 Q9550 if you live near a Microcenter. Hands down.

http://www.microcenter.com/sin...paign=hmpg_intel_q9550
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Why would he choose a dying socket? AM3 will be around for some time to come.
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I've never bought into the upgrade path hype. Get what is better for the moment. By the time a Q9550 is long in the tooth (Most programs dont even use more than 2 of the cores right now, so we are a long ways off) it will be time to re-evaluate for the next system completely. AMD could even be on to their next socket by then.

Unless you upgrade every 6 months or so for benchmark purposes. Then I can see you planning to use the same socket.


Buying an inferior product right now because someday maybe you might want to use the same socket = :confused:
 
error8

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Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
It's a toss up between those two processors. At stock clocks the Phenom wins or ties most of the time. With overclocking I'd imagine its quite different. Most people can get their Q8200's up to 3.4-3.6ghz stable, but don't feel the need for so much power (in my situation, temps are a problem past 3.3ghz). That Phenom X4 will overclock to 3.6ghz but will be much less efficient per clock (10-30%), which shows its true power. If i was buying a new computer with a budget, I'd get the Q8400 (2.66ghz, which leads to much better overclocks and is only a little bit more expensive then the Q8200) and the Gigabyte UD3R, which is a killer overclocking motherboard. The Q8400 certainly beats the X4 940 at stock speeds, and overclocking should show you a new level of performance.

Q8400 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819115057

EP45-UD3R - http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813128359
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Q8200 has a 7X multiplier and it's crap at overclocking. Even with 500 mhz fsb you get only 3.5 ghz and you also need 1000 ddr2 for that. 3.6 ghz is a dream for this chip.

Phenom II will win at both stock and overclock settings. So there is nothing left for Q8200 here.
 
yh125d

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Originally posted by: error8
Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
It's a toss up between those two processors. At stock clocks the Phenom wins or ties most of the time. With overclocking I'd imagine its quite different. Most people can get their Q8200's up to 3.4-3.6ghz stable, but don't feel the need for so much power (in my situation, temps are a problem past 3.3ghz). That Phenom X4 will overclock to 3.6ghz but will be much less efficient per clock (10-30%), which shows its true power. If i was buying a new computer with a budget, I'd get the Q8400 (2.66ghz, which leads to much better overclocks and is only a little bit more expensive then the Q8200) and the Gigabyte UD3R, which is a killer overclocking motherboard. The Q8400 certainly beats the X4 940 at stock speeds, and overclocking should show you a new level of performance.

Q8400 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819115057

EP45-UD3R - http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813128359
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Q8200 has a 7X multiplier and it's crap at overclocking. Even with 500 mhz fsb you get only 3.5 ghz and you also need 1000 ddr2 for that. 3.6 ghz is a dream for this chip.

Phenom II will win at both stock and overclock settings. So there is nothing left for Q8200 here.
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I wouldn't say that. 7x multi yeah which sucks, but its still a good overclocker. Also several popular p45 boards can do that 500 FSB, or very near, and 1066 ram is common and cheap
 
error8

error8

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Originally posted by: yh125d

I wouldn't say that. 7x multi yeah which sucks, but its still a good overclocker. Also several popular p45 boards can do that 500 FSB, or very near, and 1066 ram is common and cheap
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I don't see it as a good overclocker. 3.5 ghz ( which is the maximum I have ever heard on this chip and it's very rare too) doesn't sound astonishing to me, when I get 3.7 ghz on my ancient Q6700. Of course that that would be 1.2 ghz overclock, but still, the maximum attained frequency is not impressive.
P45 motherboards that are able to hit 500 mhz FSB on a quad aren't exactly in the budget range anyway. Also, ddr2 at 1066 mhz is quite a bit more expensive then ddr2 at 800 mhz, not by much, but it still is.
So, the PII combo is cheaper and better performing. Now if he gets a Q9550 , then that is another story. But between q8200 and PII, I'd grab the AMD in an instant.
 
TurtleCrusher

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Originally posted by: error8
Originally posted by: yh125d

I wouldn't say that. 7x multi yeah which sucks, but its still a good overclocker. Also several popular p45 boards can do that 500 FSB, or very near, and 1066 ram is common and cheap
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I don't see it as a good overclocker. 3.5 ghz ( which is the maximum I have ever heard on this chip and it's very rare too) doesn't sound astonishing to me, when I get 3.7 ghz on my ancient Q6700. Of course that that would be 1.2 ghz overclock, but still, the maximum attained frequency is not impressive.
P45 motherboards that are able to hit 500 mhz FSB on a quad aren't exactly in the budget range anyway. Also, ddr2 at 1066 mhz is quite a bit more expensive then ddr2 at 800 mhz, not by much, but it still is.
So, the PII combo is cheaper and better performing. Now if he gets a Q9550 , then that is another story. But between q8200 and PII, I'd grab the AMD in an instant.
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An UD3P is a budget board that can do it just fine.

Also, I'm absolutely sure all Q6600's released in the past 9-12 months or so have a really hard time pushing past 3.4ghz without serious voltage and temp increases.

On a side note, I was comparing my 3ghz overclock to a Phenom X4 955BE on SPUF and it's comparable in benchmarks to the 955 @ 3.7ghz. I would not call that amazing performance btw. And in a 64-bit environment (for reasons i still do not understand) the Phenom 2's rarely push past 3.8ghz (essentially its capped right there). I'm certain anyone can push the Q8400 to 3.4-3.6ghz on a decent budget board (as stated) and get better performance than the Phenom 2 could ever produce. It's worth the money IMO.
 
error8

error8

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Originally posted by: Scholzpdx

On a side note, I was comparing my 3ghz overclock to a Phenom X4 955BE on SPUF and it's comparable in benchmarks to the 955 @ 3.7ghz.
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I don't really believe that. Post some benchmarks to support it.
 
error8

error8

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Originally posted by: Scholzpdx

On a side note, I was comparing my 3ghz overclock to a Phenom X4 955BE on SPUF and it's comparable in benchmarks to the 955 @ 3.7ghz.
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I don't believe that. Post some benchmarks to support it.

 
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soccerballtux

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Originally posted by: error8

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx

On a side note, I was comparing my 3ghz overclock to a Phenom X4 955BE on SPUF and it's comparable in benchmarks to the 955 @ 3.7ghz.
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I don't believe that. Post some benchmarks to support it.
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LOL, we have an Intel fanboy in our midst.
 
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