Intel price cuts for august ? wtf

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voodoochili

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I remember reading somethinga about some huge price cuts coming on like the 22nd of august, but I cant find any mention of it lately. I'm just waiting for the 3 ghz 478's to come down a bit, oh by the way is a 350 PSU enough these days. LOL i'm upgrading from a p4 1.4 LOL i know its sad , but whatever

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Adn4n

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From my experience you get more for your buck by getting the 2.8 Prescott. It's easily overclocked to 3.6Ghz, and can run at 4.0Ghz with proper cooling, which will serve your purposes for some time to come. And most of all, it's only $167. But then again, an Athlon 64 would serve you even longer.
 
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I second the Athlon64 choice. No current Intel chip will get you 64-bits, nor NX-bit protection (AMD calls it Enhanced Virus Protection, since it prevents all buffer-overflow exploits from running on your PC). Also, check out all the AnandTech Buying Guides, for low-end, middle and high-end systems. All of the chips recommended are AMD, AthlonXP for the low-end, Athlon64 for the middle-range, and Athlon64 FX-53 for the high-end.

Don't take my word for it, take a look here:

http://www.anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.aspx?i=2159&p=2
http://www.anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.aspx?i=2122&p=2
http://www.anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.aspx?i=2100&p=2
 
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voodoochili

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well , I've given it alot of thought and was really wanting to go wtih the A64, but I just don't feel like the stability is there yet, for a machine that needs to be left on 24/7 and rock solid stable. I can't say from experience just what I hear and read about others overheating and shutting down etc. I'll give the 939 platform a few more months; thats the reason I'm looking at the 478 platform , its rock solid stable wont over heat and no incompatibility issues. I'm not slamming AMD I think they are doing great but this isnt a primary gaming box and I'll just need to see more reviews. Most of the reviews I read are basically just power fps crunching apps and benchmarks. I would like to see a site running cpu intensive stuff for long periods of time and see how they react. Anyway I guess I'll go with the 2.8C since 3.0 aint that much of an increase. and this platform will die out at 3.7 so i dont think I'll be upgrading, I'll just have to wait and see how stable the 939's. btw the last time I built an athlon system was t-bird days 1ghz cpu and abit mobo, i had soo many problems i scrapped it and went to p4 and the machine has been on ever since. so you can see why I'm a little waery just had some bad experience, with amd but i know they have come 180 @ around and I hope they keep it up. . thanks for the info
 
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Athlon processor, are 100% rock solid stable, don't be afraid, if not ask to Ferrari if their AMD processors fail?, Never seen them fail. Besides AMD opteron processors were chosen over G5 processors by Industrial Light and Magic to make Star Wars Episode III (Intel processor are out of contest here). They must be REALLY stable.
The socket 478 processors run hotter than Athlon 64. Besides AMD has the Cool & quiet feature and my Athlon 64 FX 53 runs at 38ºC. The system is 100% stable, and I work all day with CPU intensive operations. VHDL compiling and simulations with Altera Quartus software, and others. Each VHDL simulation can last all nigth long!, and I still don't know the crashing word with my FX-53.
I have really had lots of annoying experiences with intel processors. They are so slow, at least in the applications I use.
You are trapped by Intel's marketing!
 
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InlineFive

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Go to the Distributed Computing forum of how well Athlons run over long periods of time. Some people have their AMD processors running at 100% for a few years with no problems.
 
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Vette73

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Where does anybody get the idea Athlon64's are not stable??? I have had mine on for over a month now for 24hrs, not including the times I have had to reboot for SP2 and firmware upgardes.
 
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Didn't Intel just announce that they will continue to release S478 chips?
 
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HalosPuma

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Yeah, I read that too - I've been waiting to get the 3.4D 478 because it's supposed to be 1/3 off on Aug 22. But I can't find those articles anywhere either.
 
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faye

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Originally posted by: Adn4n
From my experience you get more for your buck by getting the 2.8 Prescott. It's easily overclocked to 3.6Ghz, and can run at 4.0Ghz with proper cooling, which will serve your purposes for some time to come. And most of all, it's only $167. But then again, an Athlon 64 would serve you even longer.
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how proper?
i am running it at 3.43Ghz and i think it is probably it.. may be a 3.6G u will need watercool .. so it is another investment.
 
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voodoochili

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nice work on finding that article. I was going mad looking for it. the price cuts on the 2.8 don't make it too much cheaper, but the 3 gig comes under 200.00 which is my price point. I've not really given up on the A64 , but I look at it like this. 754 socket is a dead end so the next cpu will be the last one pretty much , until the 939s take off and prices come down a a bit and the same goes for 478 pin P4 dead end I'm not going to pay some insane amount for a few hundred mgz when I can just upgrade to a 3800 or 4 ghz. I'm just a bit shell shocked since my last amd adventure. I would like to hear more people experience with running the A64's 24/7 w/ no probs. I'm still buying the surrounding parts for the system so Ive not totally kicked the a 64 out yet =)
 
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voodoochili

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I can't confirm this, but ive been told by some peeps that they over heat and shut off. He's got a few athlon xp machines that do that, he tells me. . so I don't know what to say about that. personally I think the xp cpu is sluggish in games when put up against the p4, but ive not tried a a64 yet. the numbers look incredible, but as i mentioned I need STABILITY first and foremost. thanks for all the great feedback this is a great forum
 
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Originally posted by: voodoochili
I can't confirm this, but ive been told by some peeps that they over heat and shut off. He's got a few athlon xp machines that do that, he tells me. . so I don't know what to say about that. personally I think the xp cpu is sluggish in games when put up against the p4, but ive not tried a a64 yet. the numbers look incredible, but as i mentioned I need STABILITY first and foremost. thanks for all the great feedback this is a great forum
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Either you misunderstood what you were told or those telling you misunderstood, Yes, Athlons Turn Off when they overheat, however there are only 3 ways that that would occur:

1) Improper Heatsink used

2) Heatsink Installed incorrectly

3) No Heatsink used(could be fatal)

Athlons are not prone to overheating, which you seem to believe.

Sluggishness is somewhat relative. The Athlon XP was superior in games compared to a P4(a), about even with a P4b, and slower than a P4c, some games though were always somewhat better on a P4(Q3) or Athlon(Unreal Tournament). The Athlon 64 is top dog right now though.

Stability is a non-issue. You seem to think it is, but it simply is not. The types of problems that occur with Athlon systems are the same problems that occur for P4 systems.
 
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I?m not necessarily trying to get you to go with AMD, but I think you should realize that around the time a Athlon 1GHz was top dog for AMD motherboard and chipset support was still pretty mediocre and Abit may not have been the best choice for stability.
The Athlon 64 platform is very near its prime IMO as far as support for a new platform. Most of the questionable fist revision chipsets can easily be avoided and the second generation chipsets (other than adding features/new tech) have very little room for improvement in terms of stability.

Overall I think sandorski is correct in his post where he lists the reasons for a Athlon to shut down, although I would a fourth reason ? improper overclocking.

Personally I think stability issues have more to do with people that don?t balance their budget with their expectations.

Either a new P4 or Athlon 64 should be a nice upgrade for you and both should be stable provided you don?t let your budget override your expectations.
 
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voodoochili

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You guys make some good points. I cant say that this is a marketing error on AMD"s part but if they had an entry level cpu say something around 200.00 for the cpu itself on the 939 platform < I would have no choice but to go for it. i say i would have no choice because of 2 points. 1 I will not buy a 775 paired with a Prescott, they are just run too hot, no performance increase and the 775 is too fragile and the 2nd point is I would have plenty of room to upgrade for the future on the 939 platform. I jus wish they wouuldl introduce maybe a 3000 or 3200 that was affordable. I just cant shell out 350 for a cpu at this time. I dont know if anyone has heard anything about a more budget type cpu to make the 939 more attractive to mainstream. I do understand its their hi-end platform currently, but how expensive could it be to make a 3000+ to fit on it ?
 
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Vette73

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Well you can get a Athlon64 2800 now for under $150 and a good nForce3 250gb board for $99 (epox, etc...)

Socket 754 has mor elife in it then peopel give it. It will have at least a 2.4Ghz chip for upgrade, if not higher. Then that does not take into account the .09 Athlon64 chips that will overclock very well and add some new features. So socket 754, which I run, has a lot of life in it and is a great price to performance part.
 
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Athlon 64 > P4. newegg And as far as stability goes, the A64's are the same, if not more stable, than the P4's. I'd never buy a P4 when I could get an A64 AND a mobo for less than the cost of a 3 Ghz P4. Once you own one, you'll understand. And yeesh, I own an Athlon XP, it's more stable than my old P4 too! You just need to take the plunge. Trust us ;)

EDIT: Socket 478 is a dead socket too you know, Intel is moving on. AMD's Socket 754 ends with a 3700+ chip at least, which you can always OC past 4000+.
 
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voodoochili

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I know I know I need to get over it, but im soo shell shocked from my last amd experience that I'm in therapy for it. . . . ok that may be a bit extreme. if i did go for say a 3000+ would it ever make any sense to upgrade to say a 3500 on 754 platform for an upgrade, Im thinking not really since 939's will be in full swing, so this will probably be the only cpu i buy for the current system also i dont want to overclock. I hate the noise of all the fans for cooling, thats why i had a p4 with just a sock hsp and no others and has run flawless for 3 years straight. if amd 64 could do that i would consider it
 
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I've never had stability problems with any of my AMD systems. My XP 2100+ overclocked to 2.4ghz has been running perfect for 18+ months, my old Athlon 1000mhz is still going strong. My A64 3000+ overclcoked to 2.5ghz has been a rock on my VNF3-250 although my Shuttle AN50R did have some problems, but that was just a bad motherboard. I've been so impressed with the A64's that I just got another VNF3 and a 3200+ recently. I say pick up a A64 2800+ ($150) or 3000+ ($165) and overclock it to 2.4-2.5ghz with a Chaintech VNF3-250 ($75). Awesome performance for not much $$. IMO - The performance benefit of socket 939 is very small clock for clock versus the 754 platform, maybe 3-5% if that. It is of course more future proof if you want to upgrade the cpu later, but I almost always upgrade the cpu and motherboard at the same time myself, so I'll take the most performance I can get for my overclcoking dollar and right now I think that the socket 754 A64's are the ticket. You can OC a A64 pretty effectively and quiet with the Zalman CNPS7000A-CU. At max setting it is quieter than the OEM fan in my opinion. Heck even with the OEM heatsink I can OC to 2.3ghz without all that much gain in temps as it needs a no voltage bump to do it on my 3200+.
 
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Megatomic

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Either you misunderstood what you were told or those telling you misunderstood, Yes, Athlons Turn Off when they overheat, however there are only 3 ways that that would occur:

1) Improper Heatsink used

2) Heatsink Installed incorrectly

3) No Heatsink used(could be fatal)

Athlons are not prone to overheating, which you seem to believe.

Sluggishness is somewhat relative. The Athlon XP was superior in games compared to a P4(a), about even with a P4b, and slower than a P4c, some games though were always somewhat better on a P4(Q3) or Athlon(Unreal Tournament). The Athlon 64 is top dog right now though.

Stability is a non-issue. You seem to think it is, but it simply is not. The types of problems that occur with Athlon systems are the same problems that occur for P4 systems.
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Excellent post. Thanks for saving me the typing sandorski. :beer:
 
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