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rayjayturbo

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Auric
230 FSB is no strain on the NB nor the RAM (given 250 spec). 1.7V on the other hand is kinda scary. Mine is @ 1.4 but of course is the smaller, cooler Prescott. With the EE, I would be worried about the dreaded Northwood Sudden Death Syndrome. Heck my previous Northy went belly up after a year of modest oc despite remaining at spec V. Not uncommon with those cores. Anyway, 3.9 must scream. But since 3.7 does seem the safe schweet spot then again I would expect a 3.2EE would be ideal (and cheaper). That way it could do 3.7 but benefit from a higher FSB (230 rather than 217ish for the 3.4).

where do you make this up?
:confused:

the Prescott runs a LOT hotter than the NW ... my 2.80c [NW] ran perfectly for 3 years oc'd to 3.31Ghz ... most of the NWs are superb OC'ers ... with few reporting sudden death at stock vcore

even my PC3500 has no problem with my 3.4EE at 1:1 at 3.8Ghz ... i just don't like upping the vcore ... 3.74Ghz is *solid* for my CPU with a +.025v vcore boost that brings it into line with it's actual recommended 1.575 voltage - not the undervolt that is common to my MB.

and the Prescotts are pretty poor performers compared to the NWs at the same clockspeeds
:roll:

Guys, all of you do remember that this is a Gallatin core, not a Northwood or Prescott, or did we move to talking about a different CPU? My Northwoods (3.2) all ran much cooler than my prescott. :D
 

VinDSL

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Originally posted by: Auric
230 FSB is no strain on the NB nor the RAM (given 250 spec). 1.7V on the other hand is kinda scary...
Allow me to qualify my statement...

I'm running passive cooling on my NB, MOSFETs, and RAM (alum HSs but no fans) and a Tuniq Tower 120 on the CPU.

Sometimes a pic is worth 1000 words, yes?

Benchbuild snappie showing my coolers -- (Mountain Mods Opti-1203 mobo tray sitting on desk)

Running Prime95/SP2004 -- forget about touching these components! You can actually smell the heat coming off the sinks... ;)

On the other hand, even running the Gallatin @ 1.75V, it's never gotten over 50C with the Tuniq -- and the Tuniq is cool to the touch!

Soooooo, IMHO, it's a matter of (mis)perceptions...

This chip is a LOT tougher than ppl think it is!

However, be aware -- that wonderful mobo that's served you well, for the last x years, might not be up to the task! :D
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: rayjayturbo
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Auric
230 FSB is no strain on the NB nor the RAM (given 250 spec). 1.7V on the other hand is kinda scary. Mine is @ 1.4 but of course is the smaller, cooler Prescott. With the EE, I would be worried about the dreaded Northwood Sudden Death Syndrome. Heck my previous Northy went belly up after a year of modest oc despite remaining at spec V. Not uncommon with those cores. Anyway, 3.9 must scream. But since 3.7 does seem the safe schweet spot then again I would expect a 3.2EE would be ideal (and cheaper). That way it could do 3.7 but benefit from a higher FSB (230 rather than 217ish for the 3.4).

where do you make this up?
:confused:

the Prescott runs a LOT hotter than the NW ... my 2.80c [NW] ran perfectly for 3 years oc'd to 3.31Ghz ... most of the NWs are superb OC'ers ... with few reporting sudden death at stock vcore

even my PC3500 has no problem with my 3.4EE at 1:1 at 3.8Ghz ... i just don't like upping the vcore ... 3.74Ghz is *solid* for my CPU with a +.025v vcore boost that brings it into line with it's actual recommended 1.575 voltage - not the undervolt that is common to my MB.

and the Prescotts are pretty poor performers compared to the NWs at the same clockspeeds
:roll:

Guys, all of you do remember that this is a Gallatin core, not a Northwood or Prescott, or did we move to talking about a different CPU? My Northwoods (3.2) all ran much cooler than my prescott. :D

the 3.4EE *IS* a NW ... not a Prescott ... intel DID have a 3.73EE that was based on Prescott but it was slower than the 3.4EE NW [via gallatin]

"Gallatin" is the name for the Intel Xeon Server core - virtually identical to the NW core BUT with +2MB L3 cache that was later 'adapted' for the desktop p4 CPU to compete with the FX Athlons
... a very expensive CPU for Intel to produce ... i don't think they are making *any* money at $120
:roll:

get your facts straight :p
 

VinDSL

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Originally posted by: BDawg
Will it work in the ASUS P4PE?
I doubt it, but don't quote me on that...

Sorry for parsing your question, but I guess it all depends on what you mean by 'work'.

I don't think P4EEs will 'work properly' on 45s & 50s. However, they should 'work fine' on 48s, 65s, and 75s with 800MHz FSBs...

That's just an educated guess though! :D

*edit*

w00t! Looky what I found...

:light: Motherboards with P4EE and Prescott Support :light:
 

rayjayturbo

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I stand corrected. I thought this made enough of a difference to call it different from the Northwood core, but you are right, it IS based on the Northwood core. :D

Starting from the 13th of April, 2004, Intel will be shipping its Xeon and Pentium 4 Extreme Edition processors with 1MB or 2MB L3 cache based on two different 0.13 micron process technologies. Processors on both 130nm fabrication processes implement the same CPUID, their logic and circuitry designs are identical. Products? electrical, thermal and mechanical properties are also fully equivalent. The only change the so-called ?alternate? 0.13 micron process brings is 2 additional interconnect metal layers.

The original Intel Xeon processors at 2.40GHz, 2.80GHz, 3.06GHz and 3.20GHz for 2-way server and workstations as well as Intel Pentium 4 Extreme Edition chips at 3.20GHz and 3.40GHz for powerful desktops contain 6 metal layers, the new chips will have 8 layers. Intel did not explain the necessity for the move to customers, but emphasized that they needed to perform no new qualification activity for the parts.

Chipmakers usually add more metal layers into designs either to get some additional functionality or shielding. Extra functionality usually causes changes in specifications of central processing units, while metal layers implemented for shielding purposes do not affect specifications.

Additional shielding is typically necessary to improve yields of the chips at current core-clocks or even provide some additional frequency headroom for future products working at or beyond 3.40GHz ? the highest speed for Intel?s microprocessors with 2MB of L3 cache.

Intel?s spokesman said that the modifications were aimed to improve yields and possibly increase processor availability as a result of the change.

 

apoppin

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no prob ... i *lusted* after this CPU ... for almost 3 years :)

13 of April 2004 to [fri] 13th] of April 2007 ...

3 years old for the EE

Happy Birthday!
... and still a very decent single-core CPU

--even if the P4 didn't work out very well for intel, ultimately ...prescott evidently was not the way to go :p
 

UberNeuman

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Hey gang - keep an eye on the Geeks.com link on the first page for this processor. I just manged to order one for $119.00!:D
 

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3.4 EE P4, a Spire HSF, and a Intel Motherboard, D865GLC with Gateway bios, for $177 plus shipping, herehere.

Buy the bundle, and sell the MB, (no backplate), on Ebay?

Link to the Intel MB, but some "support" features listed may not be functional in the Gateway bios.

Says "daily special", so YMMV on how long this lasts.

BTW, I have a strong feeling that this is where Compgeeks.com buys items in bulk, to put on their website.

EDIT: I did some more snooping after I posted this, and Compgeeks is selling the same bundle for $192 plus shipping. HERE

But since its not a Geeks "special", the normal 10% off codes work, which would make the price $173.69 plus shipping. I no longer own a MC card, but EXCLUSIVES like this, are hard to pass up when you find them.

 

Lanyap

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Originally posted by: Flatbroke
3.4 EE P4, a Spire HSF, and a Intel Motherboard, D865GLC with Gateway bios, for $177 plus shipping, herehere.

Buy the bundle, and sell the MB, (no backplate), on Ebay?

Link to the Intel MB, but some "support" features listed may not be functional in the Gateway bios.

Says "daily special", so YMMV on how long this lasts.

BTW, I have a strong feeling that this is where Compgeeks.com buys items in bulk, to put on their website.

EDIT: I did some more snooping after I posted this, and Compgeeks is selling the same bundle for $192 plus shipping. HERE

But since its not a Geeks "special", the normal 10% off codes work, which would make the price $173.69 plus shipping. I no longer own a MC card, but EXCLUSIVES like this, are hard to pass up when you find them.
Evertek is the reseller only side of Compgeeks.com. You have to provide proof of being a reseller before you can order from them.

 

BadThad

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Man, these have absolutely dried up in the market unless you're will to pay a lot more than $100 we nabbed them at originally. The geeks.com mobo combo deal actually sucks considering you can buy a C2D combo today for $129.
 

Meatsnack

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Originally posted by: VinDSL
Originally posted by: BDawg
Will it work in the ASUS P4PE?
I doubt it, but don't quote me on that...

Sorry for parsing your question, but I guess it all depends on what you mean by 'work'.

I don't think P4EEs will 'work properly' on 45s & 50s. However, they should 'work fine' on 48s, 65s, and 75s with 800MHz FSBs...

That's just an educated guess though! :D

*edit*

w00t! Looky what I found...

:light: Motherboards with P4EE and Prescott Support :light:
I apologize in advance if this belongs in the Tech forum but...

I have an Abit IT7-MAX MoBo (Intel 45E chipset) that can be set in Bios to run at 200MHz fsb while leaving the PCI and memory speeds locked to stock settings. It also supports the voltage requirement of the 3.4 EE.

Does anyone have any experience with the feasibility trying to make this work before I go and buy one of these things on Ebay? I am trying to squeeze another year or two out of my Socket 478 (it has been gloriously stable for years now) with an ATI 1950XT in AGP and a CPU upgrade. I won't get the video card unless I can do something significant to upgrade my P4 2.26 Northwood.

Many thanks in advance.

 

BadThad

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I don't think it can handle 800 fsb. That's a 400/533 mobo, running it at 200 fsb would max it out......and I personally don't think it can handle that. Maybe someone will chime in more experienced with that mobo, but my guess is no.
 

happy medium

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Originally posted by: Meatsnack
Originally posted by: VinDSL
Originally posted by: BDawg
Will it work in the ASUS P4PE?
I doubt it, but don't quote me on that...

Sorry for parsing your question, but I guess it all depends on what you mean by 'work'.

I don't think P4EEs will 'work properly' on 45s & 50s. However, they should 'work fine' on 48s, 65s, and 75s with 800MHz FSBs...

That's just an educated guess though! :D

*edit*

w00t! Looky what I found...

:light: Motherboards with P4EE and Prescott Support :light:
I apologize in advance if this belongs in the Tech forum but...

I have an Abit IT7-MAX MoBo (Intel 45E chipset) that can be set in Bios to run at 200MHz fsb while leaving the PCI and memory speeds locked to stock settings. It also supports the voltage requirement of the 3.4 EE.

Does anyone have any experience with the feasibility trying to make this work before I go and buy one of these things on Ebay? I am trying to squeeze another year or two out of my Socket 478 (it has been gloriously stable for years now) with an ATI 1950XT in AGP and a CPU upgrade. I won't get the video card unless I can do something significant to upgrade my P4 2.26 Northwood.

Many thanks in advance.

The best you can do is a 3.06ghz socket 478 cpu like mine and overclock it.:thumbsup:. I have a 7800gs and wouldn't go any higher then a AGP 7900gs because my cpu will botlleneck a 1950pro/xt.

So for you I suggest a 3.06 on ebay and a 7900gs on newegg. Cost you about 350.00$
You might want to just upgrade the whole system.
 

BadThad

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Hey apoppin....got my 3.4EE running at 3.7 now! Check your overclocking thread for details. :)
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Meatsnack
Originally posted by: VinDSL
Originally posted by: BDawg
Will it work in the ASUS P4PE?
I doubt it, but don't quote me on that...

Sorry for parsing your question, but I guess it all depends on what you mean by 'work'.

I don't think P4EEs will 'work properly' on 45s & 50s. However, they should 'work fine' on 48s, 65s, and 75s with 800MHz FSBs...

That's just an educated guess though! :D

*edit*

w00t! Looky what I found...

:light: Motherboards with P4EE and Prescott Support :light:
I apologize in advance if this belongs in the Tech forum but...

I have an Abit IT7-MAX MoBo (Intel 45E chipset) that can be set in Bios to run at 200MHz fsb while leaving the PCI and memory speeds locked to stock settings. It also supports the voltage requirement of the 3.4 EE.

Does anyone have any experience with the feasibility trying to make this work before I go and buy one of these things on Ebay? I am trying to squeeze another year or two out of my Socket 478 (it has been gloriously stable for years now) with an ATI 1950XT in AGP and a CPU upgrade. I won't get the video card unless I can do something significant to upgrade my P4 2.26 Northwood.

Many thanks in advance.

I have the IT7 Max2 Ver 2 and they say if you put cooling on the north bridge you can run them 200fsb. I've been running a P4 - 2.66 nothwood at 160fsb for a couple of years with no problems (everything is stock) but I never realy tried to go any faster.

My cpu was what they called a multivid chip?? I'm not sure what that meant but they supposedly all ran 166fsb with no increase in vcore. I know mine does, but I just run it at 160. I thought about getting this EE chip, but then I would have had to upgrade the video card too and I already have a 6800GT so I'm just going to wait and put the money into a new rig someday.
 

VinDSL

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Originally posted by: BadThad
Hummmm....the title doesn't specify "EE" but the tech description does.
Probably why they still have some available... :D

These puppies are getting uber scarce -- dittos for high-end S478 mobos!
 

BadThad

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Originally posted by: VinDSL
Originally posted by: BadThad
Hummmm....the title doesn't specify "EE" but the tech description does.
Probably why they still have some available... :D

These puppies are getting uber scarce -- dittos for high-end S478 mobos!

Yea, good S478 mobo's are almost impossible to find now. In a major crisis, I had to find an Abit IC7 almost a year ago....OMG....nearly impossible. Finally found some obscure vendor who raped me for $160 for a NIB "refurb". When your RAID controller dies and you have a lot of important, non-backedup data......you'll pay anything. LOL
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: BadThad
Originally posted by: VinDSL
Originally posted by: BadThad
Hummmm....the title doesn't specify "EE" but the tech description does.
Probably why they still have some available... :D

These puppies are getting uber scarce -- dittos for high-end S478 mobos!

Yea, good S478 mobo's are almost impossible to find now. In a major crisis, I had to find an Abit IC7 almost a year ago....OMG....nearly impossible. Finally found some obscure vendor who raped me for $160 for a NIB "refurb". When your RAID controller dies and you have a lot of important, non-backedup data......you'll pay anything. LOL

i couldn't *find* a decent MB when my Abit IC7 failed - this Monday ... so it's upgrade time to C2D

sigh ...

so i have a P4 3.4EE - barely used - runs flawlessly at 3.74G with a crappy cooler ... and 1.5GB very OCable PC 3500 ... going into FS/T .. next week

'EE' is one hell of a single-core CPU ... and i will miss being part of your [Extreme Elitist] club
:D
 

apoppin

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thank-you

i did a search yesterday my MB options are very "limited" :(

... the P4 EE is *awesome* for anyone with a current functional P4 system that wants it to be the *best* it can be
--a very cheap and simple $125 upgrade indeed
:thumbsup:

but now i would *also* need a very expensive MB to just "equal" my 4 DIMM slot Abit IC7

:p

nope ... i will let my P4 3.4 EE "go" - for what i paid for it ... to someone who can really benefit from it

... and i am not unhappy with what i am getting ...

generic C2D, true ... but *fast* :)
 

docinthebox

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Before getting this, I would ask myself: is my machine CPU bound? In other words, how often do I do things that cause the CPU load to approach 100%? Things like converting multimedia (ripping DVD to mp4, ripping CD to mp3 etc), running password cracking programs, running complex Excel spreadsheets, compiling linux (e.g. installing/updating gentoo). If you're not doing any of these, or very seldom do, then you're not going to notice a difference after upgrading the CPU to 3.4GHz.

And then, if you're doing a lot of these tasks very often, it pays to upgrade to a dual core anyways.

Just MHO.