Intel Penryn Performance Preview: The Fastest gets Faster

[SexyK]

Originally posted by: Questar

Originally posted by: coldpower27
This is the nice evolutionary improvements that were pretty much expected. I hope by shipping time the XE will be 3.66GHZ at 1.33GHZ FSB.

Only Xeons are getting 1333 FSB.

No, all Penryn-based products will be on 1333MHz FSB. Only Xeons are getting 1600MHz FSB.

 

[imported_Questar]

Originally posted by: SexyK

Originally posted by: Questar

Originally posted by: coldpower27
This is the nice evolutionary improvements that were pretty much expected. I hope by shipping time the XE will be 3.66GHZ at 1.33GHZ FSB.

Only Xeons are getting 1333 FSB.

No, all Penryn-based products will be on 1333MHz FSB. Only Xeons are getting 1600MHz FSB.

Doh!

I stand corrected.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: RichUK

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: Questar

Originally posted by: coldpower27
This is the nice evolutionary improvements that were pretty much expected. I hope by shipping time the XE will be 3.66GHZ at 1.33GHZ FSB.

Only Xeons are getting 1333 FSB.

Not necessarily there are already rumors of a QX6850 to go with the Bearlake chipsets and that processor has 1.33GHZ FSB. So I expect the next XE in line to get 1.33GHZ FSB as well. On the 45nm node there will be Xeons with 1.6GHZ FSB in DP let alone the already available 1.33GHZ in DP sector now.

There doesn?t necessarily need to be a new chipset to accommodate the faster FSB speeds, the current 965P chipsets will support 1333FSB with just a BIOS update.

Well there will be as the Bearlake family is what is slated to be the chipset of choice to support the 45nm Core 2 Duo's, I am sure the 965P with the right VRM can do it too.

Yeah, but we need to update the flagship chipset and that is the X38 Bearlake model, it's about time that Intel moves the entire family to 1 chipset generation again.

You also remember Intels like to pop new chipsets every year or so.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: SexyK

Originally posted by: Questar

Originally posted by: coldpower27
This is the nice evolutionary improvements that were pretty much expected. I hope by shipping time the XE will be 3.66GHZ at 1.33GHZ FSB.

Only Xeons are getting 1333 FSB.

No, all Penryn-based products will be on 1333MHz FSB. Only Xeons are getting 1600MHz FSB.

No, that would not make sense for the mobile segment, some of the Penryn Family will be on 1.33GHZ FSB, but some not, there are rumors of 1066FSB for mainstream Quad's, and only the XE gets 1.33GHZ FSB so there is actually some difference between them.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
Something odd I noticed...

The Yorkfield-Kentsfield comparison looks correct.
In the CPU-only Test, Yorkfield scores 887 points more (4957 vs 4070)
In the Overall Test, Yorkfield scores 840 points more (11963 vs 11123)

But the Yorkfield-Wolfdale comparison looks weird...
In the CPU-only Test, Yorkfield scores 1896 points more than Wolfdale. (4957 vs 3061)
In the Overall Test, Yorkfield only scores 948 points more than Wolfdale. (11964 vs 11015)

I'm guessing the Wolfdale Overall Score should read 10015?

It's not just an Anandtech thing - the same numbers are repeated at other sites as well. (Hexus.net has the same numbers)

11015 + 948 = 11963 ~ 11964? Looks right to me.

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: RichUK

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: Questar

Originally posted by: coldpower27
This is the nice evolutionary improvements that were pretty much expected. I hope by shipping time the XE will be 3.66GHZ at 1.33GHZ FSB.

Only Xeons are getting 1333 FSB.

Not necessarily there are already rumors of a QX6850 to go with the Bearlake chipsets and that processor has 1.33GHZ FSB. So I expect the next XE in line to get 1.33GHZ FSB as well. On the 45nm node there will be Xeons with 1.6GHZ FSB in DP let alone the already available 1.33GHZ in DP sector now.

There doesn?t necessarily need to be a new chipset to accommodate the faster FSB speeds, the current 965P chipsets will support 1333FSB with just a BIOS update.

its pretty obvious it will work on older chipsets and there probably will be 1066 bus variants.

the boards in the demo systems tested were modified badaxe 2s which are even older than the 965ps by 1 generation (ich7 only).

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: coldpower27
This is the nice evolutionary improvements that were pretty much expected. I hope by shipping time the XE will be 3.66GHZ at 1.33GHZ FSB.

Could you point me to 1 thread were you said Penryn would be 40 % faster in games and 50% faster in media apps. Or penryn was 10-20% faster than Conroe clock for clock.

You should understand the intel demo was on an old chipset and the X38 will bring much better results.

Its easy to see were your heart is.

 

[SexyK]

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: SexyK

Originally posted by: Questar

Originally posted by: coldpower27
This is the nice evolutionary improvements that were pretty much expected. I hope by shipping time the XE will be 3.66GHZ at 1.33GHZ FSB.

Only Xeons are getting 1333 FSB.

No, all Penryn-based products will be on 1333MHz FSB. Only Xeons are getting 1600MHz FSB.

No, that would not make sense for the mobile segment, some of the Penryn Family will be on 1.33GHZ FSB, but some not, there are rumors of 1066FSB for mainstream Quad's, and only the XE gets 1.33GHZ FSB so there is actually some difference between them.

First off, Penryn is designed to support up to a 1600MHz FSB, however we wondered whether desktop chips would even see the faster FSB support given that we haven?t so much as heard of support for it on Intel?s upcoming 3 series chipsets (e.g. P35, X38). It turns out that Intel is only confirming 1600MHz FSB support for Penryn based Xeon processors for the HPC market, not for the mobile or desktop markets. This tells us two things: 1) Intel is feeling AMD?s bandwidth advantage and strength in the HPC market and is using the faster FSB to help level the playing field, and 2) the desktop will most likely not see a FSB faster than 1333MHz.

Remember that with Nehalem being introduced in 2008, Intel will begin shifting away from its aging FSB architecture to a point-to-point interface akin to what AMD introduced with the K8 back in 2003. It doesn?t make a lot of sense for Intel to invest much money into moving cost focused desktop platforms to 1600MHz FSB only to abandon the efforts in a year?s time. While Intel hasn?t said anything, we?re expecting Penryn desktop parts to be 1333MHz FSB only, which makes sense given that the upcoming P35 chipset officially supports a maximum FSB frequency of 1333MHz.

From here.

You are probably right on the mobile segment, I did not mean to include that in my original statement. Although we don't know for sure, i'd suspect that mobile will be 1066MHz FSB. However all desktop chips (including mainstream quads) will be 1333MHz FBS and 1600MHz will be reserved for HPC platforms.

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: SexyK
From here.

You are probably right on the mobile segment, I did not mean to include that in my original statement. Although we don't know for sure, i'd suspect that mobile will be 1066MHz FSB. However all desktop chips (including mainstream quads) will be 1333MHz FBS and 1600MHz will be reserved for HPC platforms.

It has already been documented that the mobile Penryn parts will utilise upto an 800Mhz FSB

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: SexyK

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: SexyK

Originally posted by: Questar

Originally posted by: coldpower27
This is the nice evolutionary improvements that were pretty much expected. I hope by shipping time the XE will be 3.66GHZ at 1.33GHZ FSB.

Only Xeons are getting 1333 FSB.

No, all Penryn-based products will be on 1333MHz FSB. Only Xeons are getting 1600MHz FSB.

No, that would not make sense for the mobile segment, some of the Penryn Family will be on 1.33GHZ FSB, but some not, there are rumors of 1066FSB for mainstream Quad's, and only the XE gets 1.33GHZ FSB so there is actually some difference between them.

First off, Penryn is designed to support up to a 1600MHz FSB, however we wondered whether desktop chips would even see the faster FSB support given that we haven?t so much as heard of support for it on Intel?s upcoming 3 series chipsets (e.g. P35, X38). It turns out that Intel is only confirming 1600MHz FSB support for Penryn based Xeon processors for the HPC market, not for the mobile or desktop markets. This tells us two things: 1) Intel is feeling AMD?s bandwidth advantage and strength in the HPC market and is using the faster FSB to help level the playing field, and 2) the desktop will most likely not see a FSB faster than 1333MHz.

Remember that with Nehalem being introduced in 2008, Intel will begin shifting away from its aging FSB architecture to a point-to-point interface akin to what AMD introduced with the K8 back in 2003. It doesn?t make a lot of sense for Intel to invest much money into moving cost focused desktop platforms to 1600MHz FSB only to abandon the efforts in a year?s time. While Intel hasn?t said anything, we?re expecting Penryn desktop parts to be 1333MHz FSB only, which makes sense given that the upcoming P35 chipset officially supports a maximum FSB frequency of 1333MHz.

From here.

You are probably right on the mobile segment, I did not mean to include that in my original statement. Although we don't know for sure, i'd suspect that mobile will be 1066MHz FSB. However all desktop chips (including mainstream quads) will be 1333MHz FBS and 1600MHz will be reserved for HPC platforms.

That not what it says, Anandtech expects all desktop units to have 1333FSB, but I doubt that will be true, as you need some lower cost units as well. Just like how there are indeed some Meroms at 533FSB vs the official introduction FSB of 667.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: coldpower27
This is the nice evolutionary improvements that were pretty much expected. I hope by shipping time the XE will be 3.66GHZ at 1.33GHZ FSB.

Could you point me to 1 thread were you said Penryn would be 40 % faster in games and 50% faster in media apps. Or penryn was 10-20% faster than Conroe clock for clock.

You should understand the intel demo was on an old chipset and the X38 will bring much better results.

Its easy to see were your heart is.

You have be confused with someone else.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: hans007

Originally posted by: RichUK

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: Questar

Originally posted by: coldpower27
This is the nice evolutionary improvements that were pretty much expected. I hope by shipping time the XE will be 3.66GHZ at 1.33GHZ FSB.

Only Xeons are getting 1333 FSB.

Not necessarily there are already rumors of a QX6850 to go with the Bearlake chipsets and that processor has 1.33GHZ FSB. So I expect the next XE in line to get 1.33GHZ FSB as well. On the 45nm node there will be Xeons with 1.6GHZ FSB in DP let alone the already available 1.33GHZ in DP sector now.

There doesn?t necessarily need to be a new chipset to accommodate the faster FSB speeds, the current 965P chipsets will support 1333FSB with just a BIOS update.

its pretty obvious it will work on older chipsets and there probably will be 1066 bus variants.

the boards in the demo systems tested were modified badaxe 2s which are even older than the 965ps by 1 generation (ich7 only).

Agreed there are currently some 945 and 865 chipsets with Conroe support but none of these existed till Conroe arrived. So I expect the same thing with Penryn and current 965 Chipsets.

 

[SexyK]

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: SexyK

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: SexyK

Originally posted by: Questar

Originally posted by: coldpower27
This is the nice evolutionary improvements that were pretty much expected. I hope by shipping time the XE will be 3.66GHZ at 1.33GHZ FSB.

Only Xeons are getting 1333 FSB.

No, all Penryn-based products will be on 1333MHz FSB. Only Xeons are getting 1600MHz FSB.

No, that would not make sense for the mobile segment, some of the Penryn Family will be on 1.33GHZ FSB, but some not, there are rumors of 1066FSB for mainstream Quad's, and only the XE gets 1.33GHZ FSB so there is actually some difference between them.

First off, Penryn is designed to support up to a 1600MHz FSB, however we wondered whether desktop chips would even see the faster FSB support given that we haven?t so much as heard of support for it on Intel?s upcoming 3 series chipsets (e.g. P35, X38). It turns out that Intel is only confirming 1600MHz FSB support for Penryn based Xeon processors for the HPC market, not for the mobile or desktop markets. This tells us two things: 1) Intel is feeling AMD?s bandwidth advantage and strength in the HPC market and is using the faster FSB to help level the playing field, and 2) the desktop will most likely not see a FSB faster than 1333MHz.

Remember that with Nehalem being introduced in 2008, Intel will begin shifting away from its aging FSB architecture to a point-to-point interface akin to what AMD introduced with the K8 back in 2003. It doesn?t make a lot of sense for Intel to invest much money into moving cost focused desktop platforms to 1600MHz FSB only to abandon the efforts in a year?s time. While Intel hasn?t said anything, we?re expecting Penryn desktop parts to be 1333MHz FSB only, which makes sense given that the upcoming P35 chipset officially supports a maximum FSB frequency of 1333MHz.

From here.

You are probably right on the mobile segment, I did not mean to include that in my original statement. Although we don't know for sure, i'd suspect that mobile will be 1066MHz FSB. However all desktop chips (including mainstream quads) will be 1333MHz FBS and 1600MHz will be reserved for HPC platforms.

That not what it says, Anandtech expects all desktop units to have 1333FSB, but I doubt that will be true, as you need some lower cost units as well. Just like how there are indeed some Meroms at 533FSB vs the official introduction FSB of 667.

Okay, if you say so. I have provided a link though, so until I see some evidence that what you say is true, i will assume that all desktop Penryns will launch at 1333MHz FSB. Obviously down the road there will be Penryn-based Celerons with lower FSBs, but at launch I believe all Core-branded chips will be 1333MHz FSB.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: coldpower27
This is the nice evolutionary improvements that were pretty much expected. I hope by shipping time the XE will be 3.66GHZ at 1.33GHZ FSB.

Could you point me to 1 thread were you said Penryn would be 40 % faster in games and 50% faster in media apps. Or penryn was 10-20% faster than Conroe clock for clock.

You should understand the intel demo was on an old chipset and the X38 will bring much better results.

Its easy to see were your heart is.

You have be confused with someone else.

Really ! Aren't you the fella that wrote this?
Originally posted by: coldpower27
This is the nice evolutionary improvements that were pretty much expected. I hope by shipping time the XE will be 3.66GHZ at 1.33GHZ FSB.

Since when do we see a 10%+ performance boost from die shrink. I myseld would call HighK with metal gates both Revolutionary as well as evolutionary.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
But the Yorkfield-Wolfdale comparison looks weird...
In the CPU-only Test, Yorkfield scores 1896 points more than Wolfdale. (4957 vs 3061)
In the Overall Test, Yorkfield only scores 948 points more than Wolfdale. (11964 vs 11015)

11015 + 948 = 11963 ~ 11964? Looks right to me.

But in the CPU-test, it scores ~1900 points more.
So the overall score should also go up by a similar margin.