Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads

[Tigerick]

Wildcat Lake (WCL) Preliminary Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing ADL-N. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q2/Computex 2026. In case people don't remember AlderLake-N, I have created a table below to compare the detail specs of ADL-N and WCL. Just for fun, I am throwing LNL and upcoming Mediatek D9500 SoC.

		Intel Alder Lake - N	Intel Wildcat Lake	Intel Lunar Lake		Mediatek D9500
Launch Date		Q1-2023	Q2-2026 ?	Q3-2024		Q3-2025
Model		Intel N300	?	Core Ultra 7 268V		Dimensity 9500 5G
Dies		2	2	2		1
Node		Intel 7 + ?	Intel 18-A + TSMC N6	TSMC N3B + N6		TSMC N3P
CPU		8 E-cores	2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores	4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores		C1 1+3+4
Threads		8	6	8		8
Max Clock		3.8 GHz	?	5 GHz
L3 Cache		6 MB	?	12 MB
TDP		7 W	Fanless ?	17 W		Fanless
Memory		64-bit LPDDR5-4800	64-bit LPDDR5-6800 ?	128-bit LPDDR5X-8533		64-bit LPDDR5X-10667
Size		16 GB	?	32 GB		24 GB ?
Bandwidth			~ 55 GB/s	136 GB/s		85.6 GB/s
GPU		UHD Graphics		Arc 140V		G1 Ultra
EU / Xe		32 EU	2 Xe	8 Xe		12
Max Clock		1.25 GHz		2 GHz
NPU		NA	18 TOPS	48 TOPS		100 TOPS ?

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.

 

[Abwx]

if you can find it I'd be interested to see. a few years ago they were accused of being paid off by intel but this would seal that opinion in my mind. cheers

At the time it was joked, i wont search for the thing since i dont remember what it was about exactly.
They surely got some ads payed by Intel, but i guess that they have also ads payed by a lot of tech firms, hence the need to atract as much people as possible to get the $ counters spinning.

 

[A///]

At the time it was joked, i wont search for the thing since i dont remember what it was about exactly.
They surely got some ads payed by Intel, but i guess that they have also ads payed by a lot of tech firms, hence the need to atract as much people as possible to get the $ counters spinning.

I'm sure someone can find it. hard to bury stuff like that. lol you said it best mate. you wouldn't believe the amoutn of money blogs like this or any topical matter blog can generate in ad space sales and revenue. if ya ever ask a big blog owner if they make good money and they say no they're lying their nips off.

 

[SiliconFly]

Still they managed to be cited as a source by Intel in a slide during a quarterly report...

Oh really? 😂

 

[Saylick]

I'm sure someone can find it. hard to bury stuff like that. lol you said it best mate. you wouldn't believe the amoutn of money blogs like this or any topical matter blog can generate in ad space sales and revenue. if ya ever ask a big blog owner if they make good money and they say no they're lying their nips off.

Oh really? 😂

100% it happened. I can probably sleuth it up somewhere. I used to dig into Intel ER reports because I was a former AMD investor, so I had to know what the competition was up to in my thesis.

As for WCCFTech being paid by Intel, it wouldn't surprise me. Intel was in full on damage control when their 10nm process was in the dumps and WCCFTech is a website that gets a lot of eyeballs who wouldn't turn down a business opportunity. That relationship has blossomed into being granted access to Intel private PR events e.g. they got first look at Meteorlake during Computex and wrote an article about it. It's super obvious in my opinion that WCCFTech clearly doesn't mind getting paid to be a corporate mouthpiece. I've also never seen one of their "reviews" for a GPU or Mobo give real criticism about the product because I suspect they want to always present the product in the best light. It's always concluded with a "WCCFTech Recommended" tag.

 

[A///]

As for WCCFTech being paid by Intel, it wouldn't surprise me. Intel was in full on damage control when their 10nm process was in the dumps and WCCFTech is a website that gets a lot of eyeballs who wouldn't turn down a business opportunity. That relationship has blossomed into being granted access to Intel private PR events e.g. they got first look at Meteorlake during Computex and wrote an article about it. It's super obvious in my opinion that WCCFTech clearly doesn't mind getting paid to be a corporate mouthpiece. I've also never seen one of their "reviews" for a GPU or Mobo give real criticism about the product because I suspect they want to always present the product in the best light. It's always concluded with a "WCCFTech Recommended" tag.

That explains the bizarre mtl article everyone else was quoting wccftech on. initially i wrote the article off as if it was leaked to them until i realised they were there themselves. 10nm worries were assuaged at first but when ryzen launched and then zen plus and zen two they went into full damage control including their bull glue incendiary messages when they used it themselves before too. some say intel is still in damage control today, how could they not, im sure their processors pose a fire risk when they're tested before packaging en masse.

 

[mikk]

That relationship has blossomed into being granted access to Intel private PR events e.g. they got first look at Meteorlake during Computex and wrote an article about it.

First look is inaccurate, others wrote articles too on the same day. Beside some task manager screenshots there wasn't really anything to look at.

Intel Meteor Lake: CPU mit VPU-Einheit für Künstliche Intelligenz im Hands-on

ComputerBase konnte sich auf zwei Notebooks einen Ersteindruck von Meteor-Lake-CPUs mit 16 Kernen, 22 Threads und VPU-Einheit verschaffen.

www.computerbase.de

 

[A///]

in german, don't care.

 

[Saylick]

First look is inaccurate, others wrote articles too on the same day. Beside some task manager screenshots there wasn't really anything to look at.

Intel Meteor Lake: CPU mit VPU-Einheit für Künstliche Intelligenz im Hands-on

ComputerBase konnte sich auf zwei Notebooks einen Ersteindruck von Meteor-Lake-CPUs mit 16 Kernen, 22 Threads und VPU-Einheit verschaffen.

www.computerbase.de

How is it inaccurate? It was behind closed doors and only a handful of the press got access. Considering that some of the more well known people weren't even in the room, why them and not, say, Gamers Nexus or LTT? Heck, even Hassan said this was a "SUPER SECRET Intel media briefing".

Who else do you recognize in this photo? Mind you, two of the 10 people here are WCCFTech (4th from the left is Usman, 2nd from the right is Hassan).

 

[A///]

something something ai generated will be his excuse.

 

[mikk]

How is it inaccurate? It was behind closed doors and only a handful of the press got access. Considering that some of the more well known people weren't even in the room, why them and not, say, Gamers Nexus or LTT? Heck, even Hassan said this was a "SUPER SECRET Intel media briefing".

Who else do you recognize in this photo? Mind you, two of the 10 people here are WCCFTech (4th from the left is Usman, 2nd from the right is Hassan).

You implied they got something exklusive which wasn't the case, other members of the press were involved too and how can you know Intel didn't do more than one session? Are you saying all of the press members who were involved in this session are paid by Intel? If anything you could say Intel preferred bigger press members which makes sense for them since they get more coverage. Wccftech is one of the biggest tech sites out there if you like it or not.

 

[SiliconFly]

Like Saylick said, WCCFTech is bottom barrel trash. Not worth our time.

 

[Tigerick]

Golden Pig Upgrade has listed 3 models of Intel Core Ultra series:-

• Core Ultra 7 155H 4.8/3.8 P + 2.8 E
• Core Ultra 7 165H 5/3.8 P + 2.8 E
• Core Ultra 9 185H 5.1/3.8 P + 2.8 E

Too bad no clock speed for iGPU, here is the Geekbench6 numbers of ICU 155H, pretty much in range of i7-13700H:-

Intel Core Ultra 7 155H processor spotted with 16 cores and 4.8 GHz clock - VideoCardz.com

Core Ultra 7 155H, Intel Meteor Lake with new naming Intel’s next gen mobile chip to feature 16 cores. This leak marks the initial sighting of a new CPU from Intel’s Meteor Lake series, identified as the “Ultra 7 155H.” It stands out from its predecessors, notably the 1002H and 1003 models, due...

videocardz.com

He also mentioned that only 155H notebooks are available for purchase this year, that's mean 165H and 185H only shipping next year...

 

[mikk]

There is an Ultra 5 125H entry from HP: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/2513863

Should be available this year as well.

 

[dullard]

Golden Pig Upgrade has listed 3 models of Intel Core Ultra series:-

• Core Ultra 7 155H 4.8/3.8 P + 2.8 E
• Core Ultra 7 165H 5/3.8 P + 2.8 E
• Core Ultra 9 185H 5.1/3.8 P + 2.8 E

Too bad no clock speed for iGPU, here is the Geekbench6 numbers of ICU 155H, pretty much in range of i7-13700H:-

Intel Core Ultra 7 155H processor spotted with 16 cores and 4.8 GHz clock - VideoCardz.com

Core Ultra 7 155H, Intel Meteor Lake with new naming Intel’s next gen mobile chip to feature 16 cores. This leak marks the initial sighting of a new CPU from Intel’s Meteor Lake series, identified as the “Ultra 7 155H.” It stands out from its predecessors, notably the 1002H and 1003 models, due...

videocardz.com

He also mentioned that only 155H notebooks are available for purchase this year, that's mean 165H and 185H only shipping next year...

Here is the Ultra 7 155H compared to what should be an equivalent Raptor Lake chip (i7 13700H). Both are in roughly the same laptop (HP Spectre x360 2-in-1 Laptop 16).

HP HP Spectre x360 2-in-1 Laptop 16-aa0xxx vs HP HP Spectre x360 2-in-1 Laptop 16-f2xxx - Geekbench

browser.geekbench.com

Looks like a 2% single-core boost and a 80% multi-core boost for that particular laptop. The two extra threads helps the multi-core score a bit, but it does look like it has a noticeable boost all around beyond just the extra threads. Of course, power isn't mentioned so take this with a grain of salt.

Edit: my original post on this topic compared Windows vs Linux, this edit corrects that problem, they are both Windows now.

 

[Tigerick]

There is an Ultra 5 125H entry from HP: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/2513863

Should be available this year as well.

Interesting, just noticed this is going to be new gaming model by HP with 14-inch LCD, most likely without discreet GPU. Hmm, congrats Intel, your iGPU is finally strong enough to become APU for gaming notebook.

 

[João Bortolace]

apparently there is an mtl with integrated memory. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/resources/global-manufacturing.html#gs.5d9szd

 

[dullard]

apparently there is an mtl with integrated memory. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/resources/global-manufacturing.html#gs.5d9szd

Samsung LPDDR5X I assume: https://semiconductor.samsung.com/dram/lpddr/lpddr5x/

Supposed to be in SOCs starting in 2023: https://www.anandtech.com/show/17058/samsung-announces-lpddr5x-at-85gbps

 

[eek2121]

Here is the Ultra 7 155H compared to what should be an equivalent Raptor Lake chip (i7 13700H). Both are in roughly the same laptop (HP Spectre x360 2-in-1 Laptop 16).

HP HP Spectre x360 2-in-1 Laptop 16-aa0xxx vs HP HP Spectre x360 2-in-1 Laptop 16-f2xxx - Geekbench

browser.geekbench.com

Looks like a 2% single-core boost and a 80% multi-core boost for that particular laptop. The two extra threads helps the multi-core score a bit, but it does look like it has a noticeable boost all around beyond just the extra threads. Of course, power isn't mentioned so take this with a grain of salt.

Edit: my original post on this topic compared Windows vs Linux, this edit corrects that problem, they are both Windows now.

Intel 4 is responsible for the majority of the multicore gains. Reviews should be interesting.

 

[dullard]

Intel 4 is responsible for the majority of the multicore gains. Reviews should be interesting.

That would imply longer time in turbo?

 

[S'renne]

Intel 4 is responsible for the majority of the multicore gains. Reviews should be interesting.

Wouldn't that be the Crestmont Cores rather than purely node advancement? Since they also have improved architecture I think...

 

[Dayman1225]

Wouldn't that be the Crestmont Cores rather than purely node advancement? Since they also have improved architecture I think...

Crestmont is quite a small change vs Gracemont. At most a couple of % of IPC

 

[SiliconFly]

Wouldn't that be the Crestmont Cores rather than purely node advancement? Since they also have improved architecture I think...

Redwood Cove & Crestmont are geared more towards transitioning Intel from monolithic to tiled architecture rather than performance improvement. Arrow Lake is the one thats supposed to bring in huge performance improvements with it's (rumored) Lion Cove & Skymont cores.

 

[A///]

Supposed to. If that es leak was anything to go by think the engineers at Intel need a dictionary.

 

[SiliconFly]

(Duplicate. Deleted.)

 

[uzzi38]

Redwood Cove & Crestmont are geared more towards transitioning Intel from monolithic to tiled architecture rather than performance improvement. Arrow Lake is the one thats supposed to bring in huge performance improvements with it's (rumored) Lion Cove & Skymont cores.

WRT "huge performance improvements", Intel's performance projections state otherwise. You know, the ones that already leaked and suggest to expect a ~5% increase to ST perf and 15% increase to MT perf?