Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads

[Tigerick]

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.





Intel Core Ultra 100 - Meteor Lake



As mentioned by Tomshardware, TSMC will manufacture the I/O, SoC, and GPU tiles. That means Intel will manufacture only the CPU and Foveros tiles. (Notably, Intel calls the I/O tile an 'I/O Expander,' hence the IOE moniker.)

 

[511]

I didn't think he was such a painful guy
David Huang is much better than that guy.

You know him? Also yes David Huang is much better but he is not a leaker.

 

[Io Magnesso]

You know him? Also yes David Huang is much better but he is not a leaker.

I don't give a damn I don't know that kind of guy
Even if you're a leak, There's no way you can believe the speech of the guy who says he can expect NVL

 

[igor_kavinski]

this means that you can run Quick Sync on F SKU and they can have display output as well

Gotta check that out.

 

[Io Magnesso]

I don't give a damn I don't know that kind of guy
Even if you're a leak, There's no way you can believe the speech of the guy who says he can expect NVL

Personally, I like this person's remarks among those who are sending out information about leaks.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1939347524470665571

 

[Io Magnesso]

If you don't believe what a big company called Intel… I can't believe what Leeker is saying

 

[gdansk]

this means that you can run Quick Sync on F SKU and they can have display output as well

In theory, maybe. But is it actually true? Intel doesn't list QuickSync support for e.g. 265KF on their website.

 

[511]

In theory, maybe. But is it actually true? Intel doesn't list QuickSync support for e.g. 265KF on their website.

It should support QSV. Someone has a F sku?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Someone has a F sku?

I do. That's why need to check.

 

[511]

I do. That's why need to check.

keep us posted

 

[Io Magnesso]

Certainly, after turning it into a chiplet
A display engine was installed on the SOC tile side.

 

[Io Magnesso]

Certainly, after turning it into a chiplet
A display engine was installed on the SOC tile side.

LUNAR LAKE is unified with Compute Tile but
The display engine and media engine are not integrated into the GPU side.

 

[DavidC1]

No matter how much it's true that Panther Lake hasn't changed, it's ridiculous to say such a remark.😅 It's ridiculous🤪
Just using the TSMC N2 will get better That's the kind of magic that is said in this tweet that doesn't have a sense of reality.

Wouldn't surprise me if they are bots powered by Chatgpt nowadays. Youtube for example is infested with them. You can usually tell by how ridiculous and repetitive they sound. 60% from a P core team over a predecessor is ridiculous.

Orr... I guess it's also possible it's a Indian boy. Like that one known for having overly optimistic Intel posts and thousands of them.

Should have made it so it's at least in the ballpark of reality. Say it's a Unified Core, and "Cove" is just recycling names. No more IDC designs on Novalake?

 

[511]

Wouldn't surprise me if they are bots powered by Chatgpt nowadays. Youtube for example is infested with them. You can usually tell by how ridiculous and repetitive they sound. 60% from a P core team over a predecessor is ridiculous.

Orr... I guess it's also possible it's a Indian boy. Like that one known for having overly optimistic Intel posts and thousands of them.

Should have made it so it's at least in the ballpark of reality. Say it's a Unified Core, and "Cove" is just recycling names. No more IDC designs on Novalake?

Last IDC Core is Griffin Cove

 

[Io Magnesso]

Orr... I guess it's also possible it's a Indian boy. Like that one known for having overly optimistic Intel posts and thousands of them.

No, he's definitely East Asian
Bionic squash brother is decent, what are you talking about?
Or isn't it referring to Bionic Squash brother?

 

[Io Magnesso]

No, he's definitely East Asian
Bionic squash brother is decent, what are you talking about?
Or isn't it referring to Bionic Squash brother?

No matter how you look at the original remarks(About Panther Lake),
He uses Chinese and Chinese SNS
Stop giving hate to unrelated Indians...

 

[511]

Bionic Squash is pretty good leaker he doesn't hype he just gives us the leaks plain and simple kepler is a good leaker as well except for his 40% meme leak.

 

[AcrosTinus]

I think after hours of investigating, I might have come to a conclusion about the low QuickSync/Encoder performance:

• I was able buy the Apex z890 board of a friend that never finished his build with the 285K included for 550 bucks, poor guy or rich guy depending on how you see it.
• Then placed the 285K into the MSI-Tomahawk Z890 and got the same low quick sync performance with constant error in the event viewer.
• Put the 265K into the Apex and the encoder is fully unleashed, everything works, just beautiful, also beautiful board.
• Performed a full reset on the MSI board and left everything stock and the encoder was unleashed as well ?
  • The conclusion is that MSI is basically trash and below AsRock in quality.
  • Enabling XMP somehow crushes the encoder and with gamers being the target here, this issue will never be fixed
  • I even found people in the intel community experiencing the same issue.

265k integrated gpu quicksync performance very low when xmp is turned on

specs: msi pro z890 a w/ latest bios ( 7E32v2A73 ) core ultra 7 265k , gpu driver 32.0.101.6790 teamgroup CTCWD596G6400HC32ADC01 48gb*2 xmp 6400mt/s windows 11 24h2 when encoding 1920x1080@60fps streams with quicksync, obs studio keeps complaining`encoding overloaded` and the resulting video...

community.intel.com

Based on this, I have to rescind my praises for Arrow Lake and Z890 and sadly call it instable, I have never seen my event viewer throwing so many criticals and warnings withing an hour.
Arrow Lake gets a 2/10 after retrying the platform and wasting my time.

 

[511]

I think after hours of investigating, I might have come to a conclusion about the low QuickSync/Encoder performance:

• I was able buy the Apex z890 board of a friend that never finished his build with the 285K included for 550 bucks, poor guy or rich guy depending on how you see it.
• Then placed the 285K into the MSI-Tomahawk Z890 and got the same low quick sync performance with constant error in the event viewer.
• Put the 265K into the Apex and the encoder is fully unleashed, everything works, just beautiful, also beautiful board.
• Performed a full reset on the MSI board and left everything stock and the encoder was unleashed as well ?
  • The conclusion is that MSI is basically trash and below AsRock in quality.
  • Enabling XMP somehow crushes the encoder and with gamers being the target here, this issue will never be fixed
  • I even found people in the intel community experiencing the same issue.

265k integrated gpu quicksync performance very low when xmp is turned on

specs: msi pro z890 a w/ latest bios ( 7E32v2A73 ) core ultra 7 265k , gpu driver 32.0.101.6790 teamgroup CTCWD596G6400HC32ADC01 48gb*2 xmp 6400mt/s windows 11 24h2 when encoding 1920x1080@60fps streams with quicksync, obs studio keeps complaining`encoding overloaded` and the resulting video...

community.intel.com

Based on this, I have to rescind my praises for Arrow Lake and Z890 and sadly call it instable, I have never seen my event viewer throwing so many criticals and warnings withing an hour.
Arrow Lake gets a 2/10 after retrying the platform and wasting my time.

All are MSI Boards looks like MSI messed up lol btw what's with the QC Control with board Vendors every week we get something new from some board vendor ASrock ASUS MSI Gigabyte

 

[AcrosTinus]

All are MSI Boards looks like MSI messed up lol btw what's with the QC Control with board Vendors every week we get something new from some board vendor ASrock ASUS MSI Gigabyte

I don't know, normally things like this don't happen. It might be that not many people have Z890 so the attention is low but I don't buy it. MSI is supposed to be the vendor Intel likes the most, basically Intels Sapphire but having to dive deep in order to encode a video and spending 1K total in the process does not fly with me, back to Raptor where I belong.

 

[511]

I don't know, normally things like this don't happen. It might be that not many people have Z890 so the attention is low but I don't buy it. MSI is supposed to be the vendor Intel likes the most, basically Intels Sapphire but having to dive deep in order to encode a video and spending 1K total in the process does not fly with me, back to Raptor where I belong.

Tried different BIOS?

 

[Io Magnesso]

Tried different BIOS?

Well, report the problem to Intel.
It might be a good idea to update the BIOS and try again.

 

[Io Magnesso]

Or rather, rather than the problem with the CPU or chipset, isn't it a problem with the motherboard? motherBoard Manufacturer specific

 

[511]

Or rather, rather than the problem with the CPU or chipset, isn't it a problem with the motherboard? motherBoard Manufacturer specific

He clearly said that it works with ASRock motherboard so it's an MSI Issue most likely unless any other MB also face this issue.

 

[AcrosTinus]

Tried different BIOS?

Yes, I did, at least 3 different Versions and all had the same problem.

 

[511]

Yes, I did, at least 3 different Versions and all had the same problem.

Damm MSI Forgot to put proper BIOS in their MBs.