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As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.



Comparison of upcoming Intel's U-series CPU: Core Ultra 100U, Lunar Lake and Panther Lake

ModelCode-NameDateTDPNodeTilesMain TileCPULP E-CoreLLCGPUXe-cores
Core Ultra 100UMeteor LakeQ4 202315 - 57 WIntel 4 + N5 + N64tCPU2P + 8E212 MBIntel Graphics4
?Lunar LakeQ4 202417 - 30 WN3B + N62CPU + GPU & IMC4P + 4E08 MBArc8
?Panther LakeQ1 2026 ??Intel 18A + N3E3CPU + MC4P + 8E4?Arc12



Comparison of die size of Each Tile of Meteor Lake, Arrow Lake, Lunar Lake and Panther Lake

Meteor LakeArrow Lake (20A)Arrow Lake (N3B)Lunar LakePanther Lake
PlatformMobile H/U OnlyDesktop OnlyDesktop & Mobile H&HXMobile U OnlyMobile H
Process NodeIntel 4Intel 20ATSMC N3BTSMC N3BIntel 18A
DateQ4 2023Q1 2025 ?Desktop-Q4-2024
H&HX-Q1-2025
Q4 2024Q1 2026 ?
Full Die6P + 8P6P + 8E ?8P + 16E4P + 4E4P + 8E
LLC24 MB24 MB ?36 MB ?12 MB?
tCPU66.48
tGPU44.45
SoC96.77
IOE44.45
Total252.15

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Intel Core Ultra 100 - Meteor Lake

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As mentioned by Tomshardware, TSMC will manufacture the I/O, SoC, and GPU tiles. That means Intel will manufacture only the CPU and Foveros tiles. (Notably, Intel calls the I/O tile an 'I/O Expander,' hence the IOE moniker.)



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front page had an article today about meteor and intel 4 ramping up production. might have been tied to the quarterly idk, I read the headline and then ran off to get lunch. intel 3 ramping in 8 months to 1 year and 4-6 months from now would be a good indication of how smooth things are outside the embarrassing quarter reports.

They said h2 2023 so expect q4.
 
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When is Intel not gonna be shy about showing off its Intel 4 baby to the public? AMD will screw them anyway one way or the other (either power or performance or BOTH :D ) so they might as well leak some delicious benchmarks :p
 
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They said h2 2023 so expect q4.
that has been intel's schedule for a long time now. they used to do releases mid year but no one is dropping that kind of dough mid year when they've got a long 3 month term of spending especially if they've got children. good spend period is september through mid january before it falls dead.
 

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When is Intel not gonna be shy about showing off its Intel 4 baby to the public? AMD will screw them anyway one way or the other (either power or performance or BOTH :D ) so they might as well leak some delicious benchmarks :p
recall pat saying he'd love to get amd and apple on ifs? imagine if they did and got ahead of tsmc for several nodes in some bizarre magical world where half the crap said on this forum turns out true. imagine amd beating intel on their own node and do so for several gens. intel ceo then would be on suicide watch.
 
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This type of discourse in an Intel thread helps nobody. I know you like to spice up the discussion a bit, you like a more dramatic presentation, but eventually some people WILL take this seriously and react accordingly. It may be less fun, but it also creates less breeding ground for ideas like 6% increase in clocks making 7Ghz possible.

With respect to Intel making public demos of MTL before launch, I don't think that's necessary. We don't expect that from other players like AMD and Nvidia. What we do expect instead delivery with a certain cadence. Intel needs to provide MTL with very good availability by Q1 2024, and then follow up with a healthy launch of ARL, per schedule. And that's just to show their foundries have a chance to deliver on that 2025 promise. A good overall performance from Intel would mean strong availability of MTL based laptops in Q4 2023, but I'm not holding my breath for that.
I expect jh to announce how we can all afford a 5090 in the future by selling a kidney or partial livers.
 
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Core Ultra 5 1003H? Is that a placeholder or final CPUID? Earlier than expect if it's a QS with shipping SKU ID. From QS to RTS there is a ~4 months timeframe usually. Easy H2 launch.
 

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Sounds like a load of dookey to me.

in case it isn't obvious dookey was being sarcastic. amd has managed to screw themselves lately. must be one of them modern kinks.
 
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Here we go, we're getting another rebrand apparently. I'm having an allergic reaction already, but I guess I'll reserve judgement for the launch day when they'll have to use the new branding during keynotes.

Later edit: at least it's not as bad as “Intel Processor:p
 

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MTL: Intel Core Ultra 3/5/7 1xxxH

RPL-R: Intel Core 3/5/7 1xxxH

Yeah I hate this new naming scheme too, thanks for asking.

Having ultra before 3/5/7 is odd to me.

Also, more indications that Intel 4/3 is in good shape and Intel expects to increase capacity quickly….that or they expect much lower sales volume moving forward. 🤣

By adding “Ultra” to the name, it means they can roll out more SKUs as capacity allows, so I am not totally against it. It also means they can demand a premium over non-Ultra SKUs.

Things are going to get interesting. Hopefully AMD will have something to compete.
 

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It just means they can mix Raptor Lake and Meteor Lake in the same CPU generation while letting people know the difference (sort of).


According to Bionic_squash Raptor refresh won't get the Ultra naming. Also Intel confirmed the brand change for Meteor Lake.

 
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According to Bionic_squash Raptor refresh won't get the Ultra naming. Also Intel confirmed the brand change for Meteor Lake.
Yup, that's what I figured. Which isn't a terrible idea, though if the Raptor Lake Refresh chips wind up being faster in some cases than the Meteor Lake CPUs (which will likely be the case, at least if Intel releases "desktop" Meteor Lake), it could lead to some confusion.

But at least we know which products are retreads.