Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads

[Tigerick]

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.





Intel Core Ultra 100 - Meteor Lake



As mentioned by Tomshardware, TSMC will manufacture the I/O, SoC, and GPU tiles. That means Intel will manufacture only the CPU and Foveros tiles. (Notably, Intel calls the I/O tile an 'I/O Expander,' hence the IOE moniker.)

 

[DavidC1]

Psst: Dell is having a direct Panther Lake successor to Lunar Lake according to that XPS leak.

There's no successor to the XPS 13, which is their most portable device. You can see from the roadmap the Pantherlake one is in a different class, and it's shown as 40W TDP, while Lunarlake is shown as 20W.

You can't say you are sacrificing major features which they touted as drivers for battery life, cancel it in the next generation and then claim it'll be the same.

I guess you can call it close with a display like OLED which hogs power, but for those that actually want top in class battery life, it's 1080P IPS or go home.

 

[Io Magnesso]

Maybe I made a mistake earlier? The 265K is a great deal.

No, I just said that it's up to the individual and the individual to decide what to choose.
Sorry for the misunderstanding...

 

[poke01]

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[511]

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Yeah and just turned out that they have missed the P core targets muh also return of Glenn Hilton is Still a mystery what did he do is he still there what is he working on i have so many questions iirc he also created Ring/LLC

 

[igor_kavinski]

Yeah and just turned out that they have missed the P core targets muh also return of Glenn Hilton is Still a mystery what did he do is he still there what is he working on i have so many questions iirc he also created Ring/LLC

If they need to depend on a retired architect, they already have problems that all the money in the world may not be able to solve.

If they can simply stop pretending to know what they are doing and just ask their own customers what they really wish for and what gets them excited, they might have better success, like AMD.

 

[DavidC1]

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It's a nothingburger. That was said many years ago. And we know by now it has lots of inaccuracies such as:

Arrow Lake (Lion Cove / Skymont) Q4'23 - Will feature an updated compute tile with 8/32 config for the high end enthusiast products. Might achieve parity with AMD offerings at the time but loses out to Apple in power efficiency.

Sure Sure...

Lunar Lake (Lion Cove / Skymont) Q4'24 - This is the product that will use TSMC 3nm as reported by Nikkei. Big performance jump expected and designed to achieve parity or beat AMD and Apple in both performance and power efficiency.

HAHAHAH!! That's very funny. Oh, sorry I thought it was a joke.

Nova Lake (Panther Cove [tentative]/ Darkmont) 2025 - This will mark the biggest architectural change in cpu architecture since the Core architecture is introduced in 2006.

Uh huh. 10% ST and 60% MT with doubled compute tiles is impressive? I don't think so.

Where do these guys get their stuff?

 

[Io Magnesso]

The incompetent Intel seems to have decided to manufacture all of Nova Lake with the TSMC process
Wildcat LAKE also seems to be manufactured with TSMC N3

 

[Magio]

The incompetent Intel seems to have decided to manufacture all of Nova Lake with the TSMC process
Wildcat LAKE also seems to be manufactured with TSMC N3

Where's that coming from?

 

[511]

The incompetent Intel seems to have decided to manufacture all of Nova Lake with the TSMC process
Wildcat LAKE also seems to be manufactured with TSMC N3

This is false only the PCH is N6 While the entire SoC is 18A.
There is no outsourcing to TSMC in their 2-3 years roadmap except for NVL Compute tile and couple of GPU Tiles.

 

[msj10]

This is false only the PCH is N6 While the entire SoC is 18A.
There is no outsourcing to TSMC in their 2-3 years roadmap except for NVL Compute tile and couple of GPU Tiles.

I believe also RazorLake-S will be N2P/N2X

 

[511]

I believe also RazorLake-S will be N2P/N2X

Maybe the compute die only like NVL but I got no info regarding that.

 

[Io Magnesso]

No, I'll try TSMC A16

 

[511]

No, I'll try TSMC A16

Nope

 

[Io Magnesso]

Nope

no no no no no no no no
It's TSMC

 

[511]

no no no no no no no no
It's TSMC

only the compute die part they will just swap to a new compute die while keeping the rest same also it's likely N2P

 

[Magio]

Maybe the compute die only like NVL but I got no info regarding that.

Question related to that: Do you think all NVL compute tiles are TSMC? That would be really bad. If it's "only" the higher end die honestly I'm fine with it but you'd hope that at least some of the NVL line-up had compute tiles on 18A or 18A-P.

 

[511]

Question related to that: Do you think all NVL compute tiles are TSMC? That would be really bad. If it's "only" the higher end die honestly I'm fine with it but you'd hope that at least some of the NVL line-up had compute tiles on 18A or 18A-P.

So the IO extender is Intel 3 SoC is 18A and compute is N2/18AP depending on SKU and GPU is 18AP/Intel 3(not totally sure about this).

 

[511]

Looks like we got a MLID Intel version

 

[Kaffeekenan]

Looks like we got a MLID Intel version
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