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As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.



Comparison of upcoming Intel's U-series CPU: Core Ultra 100U, Lunar Lake and Panther Lake

ModelCode-NameDateTDPNodeTilesMain TileCPULP E-CoreLLCGPUXe-cores
Core Ultra 100UMeteor LakeQ4 202315 - 57 WIntel 4 + N5 + N64tCPU2P + 8E212 MBIntel Graphics4
?Lunar LakeQ4 202417 - 30 WN3B + N62CPU + GPU & IMC4P + 4E08 MBArc8
?Panther LakeQ1 2026 ??Intel 18A + N3E3CPU + MC4P + 8E4?Arc12



Comparison of die size of Each Tile of Meteor Lake, Arrow Lake, Lunar Lake and Panther Lake

Meteor LakeArrow Lake (20A)Arrow Lake (N3B)Lunar LakePanther Lake
PlatformMobile H/U OnlyDesktop OnlyDesktop & Mobile H&HXMobile U OnlyMobile H
Process NodeIntel 4Intel 20ATSMC N3BTSMC N3BIntel 18A
DateQ4 2023Q1 2025 ?Desktop-Q4-2024
H&HX-Q1-2025
Q4 2024Q1 2026 ?
Full Die6P + 8P6P + 8E ?8P + 16E4P + 4E4P + 8E
LLC24 MB24 MB ?36 MB ?12 MB?
tCPU66.48
tGPU44.45
SoC96.77
IOE44.45
Total252.15

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Intel Core Ultra 100 - Meteor Lake

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As mentioned by Tomshardware, TSMC will manufacture the I/O, SoC, and GPU tiles. That means Intel will manufacture only the CPU and Foveros tiles. (Notably, Intel calls the I/O tile an 'I/O Expander,' hence the IOE moniker.)



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But nooo kill that team. Now, that group founded a RISC-V start up.
Trust me. I feel your frustration. And look at how funny it is that back when they had anemic Atoms, they flooded the market with them. All I would see is laptops with N4020 or N5030 in my Amazon laptop searches. But they got Gracemont and Raptormont and now Skymont but they aren't churning them out by the millions. Seems to me that these faster "Atoms" are much more expensive for them to manufacture so they can't put them in cheap laptops. There are people using Gracemont with 32GB RAM in mini PCs acquired off Aliexpress but go look for i3-N305 laptops and I swear there isn't a single even 16GB laptop to be found. I mean, Pat. Just die. Sorry but just die please and let someone with more sense take over.



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AMD dropped the ball with the disappointing Strix and the only reasons to consider buying it instead are its niche of high MT performance.

There s nothing disappointing, that s just bla bla, and since when much better MT perf, just 60%+, at same power and format is niche.?

If the tables were turned you would say that AMD is too little and too late,
truth is that Intel want to sell i3 perf level at i7 prices, and the GPU save nothing
because in the past AMD had much more powerfull GPU but weaker CPU and it
didnt matter, the same who were pointing the powefull GPU as useless for mobile are now praising it as the best thing ever, how things change suddenly.
 

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Yes, but it has much more cache. I am arguing that cache isn’t bloat. I think it’s valid to include the private cache in the core measurements, but it needs to be taken into account when assessing which design is more area efficient.

Bloat would be about the logic area, which is much closer than flat area calculations that include megabytes of cache others aren’t using.
However we look at it, LNC is:

1. Fatter
2. Less performant
3. Less efficient

… compred to Apple M series P core. It’s just horrible. The P core team should hang themselves considering they’ve been doing this for many decades & Apple M silicon is less than 5 years old. Total messed up. Time to fire these idiots.

Your post offended pretty much everyone. Stating people should commit suicide is beyond distasteful, no matter how hyperbolic it was intended to be.

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