Intel Marketing. Just how stupid IS the general public?

[OneEng]

I am furious every time I think about Intel and their dancing bunnies and robots.

Don't just get onto the Internet! Get INTO the Internet with PIII

doo dooo dooo dooo.

errrr.

And now the P4 comes along and they give it some new technology called "netburst"! I can't believe how utterly rediculous this is!!!

My father in-law actually called me last year and asked if he should upgrade to one of those new fangled PIII processors to speed up his Iuka Kentucky, over 100 miles from known civilization, 28.8K modem!

I can't believe people believe this tripe.

What I don't understand is why Intel stops there? Why not just say:

Don't just make her moan, MAKE HER SCREAM with the Intel P4 processor!

That's right! You too could be better in bed, faster, stronger, smell better, and be more popular with the P4 Processor from Intel.

GIVE ME A BREAK!

 

[Adul]

it works doesn't it. Though annoying and missleading.

 

[BigToque]

Well Intel knows that 90% of the people buying computers dont know the difference between a CPU and a Mouse. They take advantage of the fact that people are idiots.

We know they are pulling stuff out of their ass, and we can laugh about it.

 

[chiwawa626]

whats with that intel p3 special site where u can do crap only if u got a p3?, That is so stupid, its u bunch of flash stuff and animation....im sure my tbird 900 could handel it even though its not a p3 ........ intel are marketing geniuses!!!!!!!!!

 

[PCAddict]

I see this every day. I deal with so many people who don't even want to consider a T-Bird Athlon system even though it'll be $200 less than an equally equipped Pentium III sytstem.

If they are still giving me a blank stare after I take a few minutes to talk about the Athlon, I give up and sell them a Pentium III.

 

[Leo V]

I entirely agree with OneEng. What's worse, the consequences of such "marketing" (ie brainwashing) are terrible for all of us. By replacing actual quality products with expensive promotional brainwashing, today's businesses are quickly moving to undermine capitalism.

Capitalism works at its best when consumers know what's good for them. Companies generally have no concept of ethics, and profits are the only stimulus for them to make decent products/services. When consumers are too stupid/illiterate/impressionable to know a winmodem from a real one, etc. it presents a free ride for high-tech companies.

Just look at the MPAA. Where would they be if customers refused to buy their "tamper-safe" DVD's? Without their customers, they wouldn't exist, yet now MPAA is freely pushing for laws preventing you from recording HDTV broadcasts in the future! :|

 

[Leo V]

What I believe the US needs is a powerful consumer union, capable of provoking mass product boycotts. Thus wouldn't undermine the American legal structure (as consumer-hostile as it has become), and could impose a powerful force to counteract corporate thievery and fascism.

Life has shown that consumer-education websites like Anandtech (while terrific) are insufficient to steer "the sheep" away from funding such corporate criminals. Therefore, a much stronger (perhaps taxpayer-funded) advocacy, with its media channels, is necessary to make a dent in such practices.

 

[prontospyder]

Well, having a faster computer do speed up your Internet Access a bit...the Internet is much faster on my PIII w/28.8K connection compared to my old P133 with a 28.8K connection.

AMD also advertises the Athlon to speed up the net too...

So if some consumer upgrades their old 486 to Intel's or AMD's latest and greatest, they'll definitely feel a difference on the Net.

 

[Leo V]

prontospyder, I must point out that it is you browser that runs faster. Your actual downloads are exactly the same, assuming your CPU isn't ancient (<486), and that your browser isn't bloated to the extreme (which is actually true of some browsers)...

 

[ltk007]

A PII 450 doesn't make any difference in web browsing than a PIII. I wish some of the idiots out there could have that beaten into their skulls, but they aren't willing to listen. Aww well, screw it.

 

[prontospyder]

Leo V:

Plus, online games also...

For example, Starcraft would drag on Battle.net with my P133 while it plays smoothly with my PII 300...all on the same crappy 28.8K connection.

 

[JaiKnight]

It's a wonder what marketting can do, especially for the MACs, a comp system with a one-button mouse and no floppy! I cringe everytime I see somebody in the store listening to all the techno-babble the salesperson blurt out at the unknowing customer....

 

[piku]

Prontospyder: Its the same reason why a GeForce 2 will seem 100x better in a pentium 800 than a pentium 100. The CPU is just so slow it could barely keep up with the game, let alone anything else.

You probably werent seeing internet lag, you were seeing _CPU_ lag.

 

[WalkingDead]

Why not, it work for the Mac people. Apple said their G4 is faster anything in Photoshop and people actually believes them. That way they can charge 2X price for half the performance. For $1600, it comes w/ sub-standard HDD and graphic system &amp; about half the memory. You can't really upgrade the CPU and the mobo either. You must buy a new Mac when the new G-XXX CPU comes out. No overclocking too!

 

[prontospyder]

piku:

That's my point all along...a faster CPU does improve the Internet Experience.

But Starcraft played smoothly in single player on the P133...it really slowed down when I got onto B.net.

Now how do you explain that?

 

[Rand]

&quot;Don't just make her moan, MAKE HER SCREAM with the Intel P4 processor!&quot;
Your really shouldnt say that OneEng, it might just give Intel an idea... I wonder how long it will be before we see that on an Intel commercial?

A processor doesnt have to be the cheapest or the best performing, all it needs is some good advertising and it'll sell!
Sad, but true.

 

[JellyBaby]

<< &quot;Don't just make her moan, MAKE HER SCREAM with the Intel P4 processor!&quot; >>

Man o man where do I buy this chip???????

<< What I believe the US needs is a powerful consumer union, capable of provoking mass product boycotts. >>

Leo V, trouble is no consumers union with that kind of power would maintain credibility. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. And this deals with the symptoms. Consumer education is the only real solution.

btw, the MPAA is trying to prevent any and all copying of HDTV signal sources? You're kidding right?

 

[Leo V]

&quot;Leo V, trouble is no consumers union with that kind of power would maintain credibility. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. And this deals with the symptoms. Consumer education is the only real solution.&quot;

Consumer education is a noble, but unattainable ideal (on an individual level). I suggest comparing consumers to employees. If all employees were highly ethical, principled individuals, they would all refuse to work in companies with subhuman conditions/pay. This was impossible, part due to necessity (ie nowhere else to work), part due to lack of a loud mouthpiece to express the concerns. The truth is, a disorganized group of principled, educated citizens is no match against a huge, highly organized bureaucratic entity. History shows that it took major, unified labor action in order to make the corporate giants even recognize that their employees had a right not to be poisoned or crippled. BTW, in defending employees' rights, these unions faced major governmental resistance (special interests, after all, make big contributions).

In fact, even today, most computer/IT employees aren't in any unions whatsoever. Did their above-average intelligence/education help IT workers avoid having their email read, their browsing recorded, their phone calls overheard, and their keyboards sniffed? Only unified action could cause businesses to retract such outrageous (yet popular) practices. It's the same with consumers, and their general education/principles lag far behing IT workers.

Regarding credibility, I again suggest consulting the union model--ideally, elected board officials with interest in protecting consumer rights. A democratically maintained consumer union, subject to public scrutiny, with consumer advocates like Ralph Nader, could have very good credibility. Unfortunately, the government itself would never let this happen--influenced, as it remains, by big business. Interesting how Nader and Buchanan were shut out of the debates against public concensus, despite Gore himself consenting to open (ie democratic) debates.

&quot;btw, the MPAA is trying to prevent any and all copying of HDTV signal sources? You're kidding right?&quot;

They're advocating rules requiring all VCR/set-top box manufacturers to incorporate circuitry, which would disable recording HDTV content without authorization (ie, whenever MPAA/subsidiaries feel like it). This angered the manufacturers (thank god), therefore the decision will be made by the FCC.

 

[KarayaOne]

I don't see the difference between Intel's marketing and the marketing of a thousand other companies. With knowledge comes wisdom...and the ability to wade through the hype.

 

[Midnight Rambler]

<< I don't see the difference between Intel's marketing and the marketing of a thousand other companies. With knowledge comes wisdom...and the ability to wade through the hype. >>

Precisely. Although you will have a hard time getting anyone in this Forum to agree with this fact. But it was a nice try anyhow.

And OneEng - you must be naive to think that &quot;hardware assistance&quot; will not be engineered in to our CPUs (or whatever we will call them). Intel will be incorporating technology from this http://www.ipivot.com, if they haven't started already ...

 

[hungrypete]

&quot;Intel Marketing. Just how stupid IS the general public?&quot;

-pretty fuggin dumb.... I know SOOOO many morons that think that a p3 is a lot better than a similarly clocked amd chip, and they're just wrong and completely ignorant. Intels TV marketing targets the computer illiterate crowd. It workie <chug chug chug> very goodie too. I think AMD should have some badass commercial with a giant with a huge hammer smashing little gay men in colored contamination suits. Then the giant can look at the camera and let out a mighty and cheesy roar, and the logo can bang into the picture.... <chug chug chug> AMD needs better PR.

 

[ElFenix]

well, when shown an episode of &quot;dallas&quot; one third of people aren't sure if its fiction or not, while another third thinks its a documentary. sorry to say this, but,
THE AVERAGE PERSON IS STUPID!

 

[jmcoreymv]

You see they have this thing called marketing and capitalism. Let me see, if I owned Intel, would I want to try and capture 90% of the market with stupid commercials, yes. Maybe from your viewpoint its dumb, but from anothers its working great.

 

[Leo V]

That's exactly what I was discussing. Perhaps I should've written it in a new thread, so people would actually read it...

 

[dszd0g]

CPU does make a difference between a P133 and a P3 if you are using a Winmodem :>

As far as the difference between single player and multiplayer games. The game has to do a lot more in multiplayer mode than in single player. A game will need a faster CPU and more memory to play in multiplayer than it will in single player.