Intel i5 4670K vs AMD FX-8350

[M0R4]

I'll use the processor mainly for gaming but also for programs like UDK, 3ds Max and Vegas Pro. My video is : Nvidia GeForce GT 440.
I would really appreciate if you could help me out. ^_^

 

[ShintaiDK]

If you mainly game. You might want to look for a new GPU first. With a GT440 you dont need any of the 2 CPUs.

 

[M0R4]

My current processor is Intel Dual E2200 2.2 Ghz(total crap) , so if I buy a new powerful graphics card will all games will work way better although the CPU is crap, rather than changing CPU and remaining with the same GPU? Because I wouldn't be able to buy both new CPU and GPU, so what will be more worth it?

 

[Durvelle27]

What's your budget

 

[SPBHM]

E2200 is really old, any cheap CPU would be a great upgrade... better get a cheaper CPU + new graphics card.

 

[M0R4]

My budget is around 300 Euro or 400$. (including eventually new motherboard and supply)

 

[NTMBK]

You're extremely budget limited- you may be better off just buying a better CPU for your current motherboard, instead of getting a whole new platform. A Core 2 Quad Q9450 can be easily had for about 90 euros from a quick glance at French eBay, and that should do you pretty well. Spend the rest of the money on something like a HD7850.

What is your current motherboard?

 

[M0R4]

ASRock G41M-VS3

 

[frozentundra123456]

The 4670k is the best processor for gaming. But for you budget, a quad for your current mb and a new graphics card as NTMBK suggested would be good if you trust used parts.

Otherwise for 400.00 you are in the ballpark for an FX6300, new motherboard, and mid range graphics card like a HD7790 or HD7850. But then you would need a copy of windows as well, plus ram and peripherals, depending on what you can re-use.

Maybe others have a definite answer on this, but I believe if you replace only the cpu and gpu on your current motherboard you would not need a new copy of windows.

 

[M0R4]

The ram and the memory are good enough, but what do you mean by a copy of windows? These parts not working with illegal ones?

 

[frozentundra123456]

The ram and the memory are good enough, but what do you mean by a copy of windows? These parts not working with illegal ones?

When you replace the motherboard, you have to have a new key for a windows installation, unless you have a multiple install license. You cant carry over the windows install from the old computer.

 

[NTMBK]

ASRock G41M-VS3

Ah, good stuff! According to this page your board supports all the way up to a Core 2 Quad Q9650: http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/G41M-VS3/?cat=CPU

 

[Forgets]

When you replace the motherboard, you have to have a new key for a windows installation, unless you have a multiple install license. You cant carry over the windows install from the old computer.

Not necessarily. I recently did a new build and the message that popped up saying i needed to revalidate my windows activation asked if I had recently installed new components. It took me through a phone activation and I was not required to repurchase my copy of windows 7. It was also the first time I've replaced a motherboard/cpu that i didnt have to reinstall windows, it just booted up as normal on the first boot.

 

[blackened23]

When you replace the motherboard, you have to have a new key for a windows installation, unless you have a multiple install license. You cant carry over the windows install from the old computer.

Sure you can. You just simply reinstall Windows 7 from DVD and when it asks you for the key, it will prompt you and ask how many computers you're using it on. That answer is one, since your old computer is kaput.

The Windows license has everything to do with how many computers you're using it for - I don't consider an upgraded PC to be an entirely new computer. If the old PC is not in use, you're still using that Windows install on one and only one PC.

At that point, you need to call Microsoft's automated hotline which will again ask how many computers you're using this license on. That answer is 1 computer. Then it will give you an answer key to type in, and your Windows 7 installation is validated. Again - the old computer is being upgraded to the current new one, but Windows won't recognize that initially. Since it is still being used on only one computer, you can definitely use the same key with a new motherboard.

 

[inf64]

Good old Asrock . Put a C2Q 45nm in it, OC it,put 7850 in it, OC it. Never look back.

 

[krumme]

You're extremely budget limited- you may be better off just buying a better CPU for your current motherboard, instead of getting a whole new platform. A Core 2 Quad Q9450 can be easily had for about 90 euros from a quick glance at French eBay, and that should do you pretty well. Spend the rest of the money on something like a HD7850.

Agree intel q9450 and amd 7850 1G. OC it all and its a fine gaming system.
Frag on.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Sure you can. You just simply reinstall Windows 7 from DVD and when it asks you for the key, it will prompt you and ask how many computers you're using it on. That answer is one, since your old computer is kaput.

The Windows license has everything to do with how many computers you're using it for - I don't consider an upgraded PC to be an entirely new computer. If the old PC is not in use, you're still using that Windows install on one and only one PC.

At that point, you need to call Microsoft's automated hotline which will again ask how many computers you're using this license on. That answer is 1 computer. Then it will give you an answer key to type in, and your Windows 7 installation is validated. Again - the old computer is being upgraded to the current new one, but Windows won't recognize that initially. Since it is still being used on only one computer, you can definitely use the same key with a new motherboard.

OK, guess I was wrong depending on what type of windows it is. I was thinking of an OEM license I guess. Those can only be used on one computer, right?

Anyway, sorry if I misled anyone.

 

[M0R4]

Small changes appeared in my budget and now it's a bit higher, so I'm thinking of buying this : AMD FX6300 6 cores x 3.5Ghz and Asus AMD Radeon HD 7850 DirectCU II Graphics Card 2GB, is it okay?

 

[tweakboy]

Get AMD 8350. Will give you some head room.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Is it possible you'll acquire more funds at a later date?

I'd get a Haswell i3 and 1055 board with the ability to upgrade to the i5-4670k or 14nm equivalent next year.

AM3+ doesn't currently (and most likely never will) offer the potential that 1150 offers.


i3 vs 6300 is a toss up, win some lose some, both are compromises.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Small changes appeared in my budget and now it's a bit higher, so I'm thinking of buying this : AMD FX6300 6 cores x 3.5Ghz and Asus AMD Radeon HD 7850 DirectCU II Graphics Card 2GB, is it okay?

I don't know how prices are for you, but here you can get an FX6300, a solid motherboard, a 7950, and 8GB of 1866 memory for ~$500 (going by Newegg prices). You can scale down the video card to save a few bucks.

 

[ShintaiDK]

It makes no sense to buy a dead inferiour platform with slow CPUs.

Get a H81 board for 55-65$ and a Haswell CPU.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Is it possible you'll acquire more funds at a later date?

I'd get a Haswell i3 and 1055 board with the ability to upgrade to the i5-4670k or 14nm equivalent next year.

AM3+ doesn't currently (and most likely never will) offer the potential that 1150 offers.


i3 vs 6300 is a toss up, win some lose some, both are compromises.

Having the ability to upgrade to a quad is nice. Is it defi its that there will be a 14 nm bga on the 1150socket? Next year is haswell refresh only, then skylake which will probably require a new socket. That was my understanding. Has it changed?

 

[NTMBK]

Having the ability to upgrade to a quad is nice. Is it defi its that there will be a 14 nm bga on the 1150socket? Next year is haswell refresh only, then skylake which will probably require a new socket. That was my understanding. Has it changed?

It looks possible that we'll get a socketed Broadwell Xeon E3, although we haven't seen any hard information on SKUs etc. (Also it may require a different chipset.)

 

[Arkaign]

By far the best value for your money will be getting a used Q9450 and a new Radeon 7850 for your existing build. Put the excess savings aside and slowly save up for a full build.

A Q9450 + 7850 will play any game with fairly good performance with the correct settings. It is around the same performance as a Phenom II at similar clock speeds. You can overclock even on a stock cooler into the low 3Ghz range easily, just bump up the FSB and check your ram multiplier to make sure you're not running too aggressive with memory clocks (google overclocking guides on Core 2 Quads, or start a thread here about it).

An AMD FX CPU is even better, and of course an Intel i5 or i7 2xxx/3xxx/4xxx is better still, but those would involve new board, new ram, new windows installation, reinstall of all drivers/apps/etc. The cost and time involved are serious, and your budget is not enough to allow for :

New board
New CPU
New ram
New GPU
*potential new OS

In your region. Prices for computer components altogether are considerably more expensive in Europe (hello taxes!), bringing your potential builds for 300 Euros down into the range where it makes more sense to just build on what you have within sane limits. I recently upgraded a friend to a Q9550 and GTX 660ti, with 6GB DDR2-800, he's able to play Battlefield 3, Deus Ex Human Revolutions, Crysis 3, Bioshock Infinite, etc, at very respectable smoothness at 1920x1080. This is on a P35 motherboard from ~5 years ago.

Once you are able to save enough money to do it right, a baseline will look something like this :

Asrock Z87 motherboard
Intel i5-4670K or 4770K CPU
Cooler Master 212 Evo Heatsink/Fan or better (Noctua DH14!)
8GB or 16GB DDR3-1600/1866
Radeon 7950 3GB or Nvidia 760
550W well-reviewed power supply

If you check the prices in France for something even in the range of a 7850, it is quite high :

http://www.pc-look.com/boutik/Prod_...-GDDR5-PCI-Express-3.0-x16-...__75647_en.html

Best wishes!