News Intel GPUs - we've given up on B770, where's Celestial already

[poke01]

Some insights from TAP, good discussion.

Tom Peterson while responding to Nvidia and Intel client side collaboration.: @17:46


Some excerpts:

How big a change is Xe3P going to be from Xe3? Have they also moved from SIMD16 to SIMD32 with Xe3P?

It's a bit of marketing mess around PTL IGPU branding.

So if XE3 is XE2 plus as Peterson calls it then it’s basically Intels RDNA 3.5

 

[regen1]

This iGPU branding seems incoherent

MTL-H : Arc Graphics(in Dual ch. config), (Xe-LPG)

LNL: Arc 140V/130V, (Xe2)

ARL-H: Arc 140T/130T, (Xe-LPG+)

An option could have been to continue similarly to ARL-H for PTL-H with something like the following:

12Xe3: Arc 240T ; 10Xe3: Arc 230T ; 4Xe3: Arc 210T
Or some other thing.

But some marketing felt the need to "brand/indicate" this as a separate thing probably to imply "discrete level" and somehow we would get a somewhat confusing "Arc B- series" for PTL. Might not matter much for general public though.

So if XE3 is XE2 plus as Peterson calls it then it’s basically Intels RDNA 3.5

Looks analogous in some ways, yes.

 

[mikk]

@25:53
"Xe3 got named a long time ago right now. Xe3 is is sort of like think of it as mostly similar to Xe2. The things that I talk about in that are changing are important, but it's more evolutionary off of Xe2."

@28:56
"So from my perspective, I know that we've announced an Xe3P architecture and that is a more substantially different
architecture than Xe3 was versus Xe2."

I agree, 2.5 would have been better when Xe3p with a more substantially different architecture didn't get a full name change.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

This iGPU branding seems incoherent

MTL-H : Arc Graphics(in Dual ch. config), (Xe-LPG)

LNL: Arc 140V/130V, (Xe2)

ARL-H: Arc 140T/130T, (Xe-LPG+)

An option could have been to continue similarly to ARL-H for PTL-H with something like the following:

12Xe3: Arc 240T ; 10Xe3: Arc 230T ; 4Xe3: Arc 210T
Or some other thing.

But some marketing felt the need to "brand/indicate" this as a separate thing probably to imply "discrete level" and somehow we would get a somewhat confusing "Arc B- series" for PTL. Might not matter much for general public though.


Looks analogous in some ways, yes.

I don't think iGPU names matter.

Almost no one is going around comparing the 890M to the 8060S or the 140V to 140T.
The names people are using to compare GPU performances are Z2 Extreme, Ryzen AI MAX 395, or when they get a bit more technical it's Strix Point vs. Lunar Lake vs. Arrow Lake.

I bet most of the people commenting on Strix Halo's gaming performance don't even know how its iGPU is called.

 

[regen1]

I don't think iGPU names matter.

Almost no one is going around comparing the 890M to the 8060S or the 140V to 140T.
The names people are using to compare GPU performances are Z2 Extreme, Ryzen AI MAX 395, or when they get a bit more technical it's Strix Point vs. Lunar Lake vs. Arrow Lake.

I bet most of the people commenting on Strix Halo's gaming performance don't even know how its iGPU is called.

Yeah, like I said it doesn't matter to general public much at least in short run. Still having a more coherent stuff is better when you are trying to make a name and also among the enthusiasts, but yeah performance and other parameters are more important than some naming.