News Intel GPUs - Intel launches A580

[insertcarehere]

While ARC has been improving, back when TPU reviewed the A750 it was slower than the 6600XT and consumed 50W more (150W vs 200W). I really fail to see the value at $250.
That it is a 406mm² part on 6nm (vs Navi 23's 237mm² on 7nm) is only a problem for Intel. Consumers shouldn't care.

The only plus of A750 @ $250 is that it is far better at RT than RDNA2. In Cyberpunk at 1080P TPU had it at 31.2 vs the 6600XT at 19.4. Both far too slow for me, but that and the video code support are the only real pluses IMO.
If Intel want me beta test, then the discount vs Radeon had better be a lot more than $0.

Well, the "$250" 6600XT (and indeed RDNA2 in reasonable pricing) doesn't exist in my part of the world because AMD and OEMs have stopped restocking those things for months now. So in this context A750 at $250 USD with hopefully better supply from Intel would be definitely a win here.

 

[mikk]

While ARC has been improving, back when TPU reviewed the A750 it was slower than the 6600XT and consumed 50W more (150W vs 200W). I really fail to see the value at $250.
That it is a 406mm² part on 6nm (vs Navi 23's 237mm² on 7nm) is only a problem for Intel. Consumers shouldn't care.

What country? In Germany both 750 LE and Asrock Challenger 750 costs 279€ whereas the cheapest 6600XT costs 322€. For this price of A750 I can only get a non XT 6600 (or RTX 3050).

If your refer to the launch review from TPU it's old made with the launch driver and A750 won the 4k rating. Once the updated DX11/DX12 driver comes it is very likely it beats the XT in lower resolutions as well, the gap wasn't that big.

 

[Heartbreaker]

GN revisits the Arc GPUs with new drivers:

 

[DeathReborn]

The price cut to the A750 is either not happening or hasn't arrived yet in the UK (12th Jan it did drop £65 but so did a lot of other cards), as it stands this is the playing field in the A750 price range.

6600 £257
3050 £290
A750 £324
3060 £328
6650XT £338
A770 £366
6600XT £378

Cards like the 6600XT are disappearing from the market and the 6600 has been at the same price for a few months with no change.

 

[maddie]

It seems like the only positive thing so folks are hanging their hats on it.

The fact is that you probably don’t want it to stream games with because it’s gonna break more than say an Nvidia card and streamers tend to want their streams to work. You can get a “big boy” gaming card and get AV1 encoding too.

If you’re a content creator odds are you are probably quite aware how important - or not - AV1 encoding is for your work flow and likely already have one if it’s truly make or break for you.

In my mind these are gaming cards and they win or lose on that proposition. The other features outside of absolute performance in games are ancillary to the vast majority of purchasers.

On the flip side, I am wondering what all these driver improvements are bringing to all those Xe laptop chips - really all of the Tiger Lake and newer chips. Those G7 parts were almost gaming worthy, surely they are much better now? In my mind, that’s actually exciting in terms in how many PCs out there are gaming ready if it pans out.

Didn't we just learn that Intel is further splitting the GPU line into 3 segments? Compute, integrated and discrete. How will this affect the drivers?

"There is a Xe and there is a Xe 2 and in that Xe 2 generation there is a Xe-LPG and there is a HPG (…) and there a slight variations (…) which is our big learning. The idea was we needed to optimize for each segment and build separate chips and do separate verifications"

"But it’s a tough thing, because if you know that your are going into the data center, you know that you are going desktop discrete and you know you are going be integrated – they all have slightly different ways to optimize"

 

[igor_kavinski]

The dang driver is 700+ MB for Xe/ARC. I'm not sure if the Xe iGPU will benefit from the optimizations done for ARC or if Intel is wasting people's time and massive bandwidth just to simplify driver delivery.

 

[sandorski]

The dang driver is 700+ MB for Xe/ARC. I'm not sure if the Xe iGPU will benefit from the optimizations done for ARC or if Intel is wasting people's time and massive bandwidth just to simplify driver delivery.

Probably includes Software Interface?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Probably includes Software Interface?

That's still a ridiculous size for a control panel. What did they do? Put a 4K Bluray clip in there?

 

[sandorski]

That's still a ridiculous size for a control panel. What did they do? Put a 4K Bluray clip in there?

20 years ago that was a lot. These days I don't flinch at sub Gig or even multi-Gig filesizes.

 

[igor_kavinski]

20 years ago that was a lot. These days I don't flinch at sub Gig or even multi-Gig filesizes.

Humans being wasteful. I used to love pretty games that came on 1.44MB floppies and now we see 100GB games and go, meh!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Humans being wasteful. I used to love pretty games that came on 1.44MB floppies and now we see 100GB games and go, meh!

You and I have very different opinions about what a pretty game is. None of them came on floppies. RDR2, Days Gone, Witcher 3, those are what I consider pretty games. Cyberpunk, doesn't do it for me, as big city concrete jungles have little appeal for me. It is also nothing more than an Nvidia tech demo at this point.

 

[igor_kavinski]

You and I have very different opinions about what a pretty game is.

Yeah, it seems the older I get, the less patience I have to slog through large open world games. I would still opt for a quick race in Forza Horizon 3 or 4, just fooling around and racking up points or playing Virtua Tennis or kicking a few butts in Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat. Open world games are too much work for me.

 

[fleshconsumed]

That's still a ridiculous size for a control panel. What did they do? Put a 4K Bluray clip in there?

It's about the same size as nvidia drivers... Even AMD drivers are about 550MB now.

 

[igor_kavinski]

It's about the same size as nvidia drivers... Even AMD drivers are about 550MB now.

My main issue is, ALL the iGPU users have to download this crap if they want the control panel. Raja introduced this problem to Intel from his time at AMD, it seems.

 

[sandorski]

Humans being wasteful. I used to love pretty games that came on 1.44MB floppies and now we see 100GB games and go, meh!

How is it more wasteful? There is no comparison that would convince me that a game on a floppy disk exceeded ones with 100gb sizes. There may be a simple element of it that impresses, but that will wear thin quickly. We'd all be playing those games if they were so great.

 

[igor_kavinski]

There may be a simple element of it that impresses, but that will wear thin quickly. We'd all be playing those games if they were so great.

One of the greatest examples I can think of is Tie Fighter. It came on maybe 5 or 6 floppies. I would still get into it to finish the campaign. It was just so much fun blasting away X-wings, Y-Wings and B-Wings. Not the A-wings though. Those were a huge headache.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Here is the PCWorld 3 month update on A770. This seems like a good example of the user experience improving. Once you get past issues with install, setup, and driver updates, and have been using it a few months, performance improvements in games starts being value added.

 

[QueBert]

How is it more wasteful? There is no comparison that would convince me that a game on a floppy disk exceeded ones with 100gb sizes. There may be a simple element of it that impresses, but that will wear thin quickly. We'd all be playing those games if they were so great.

I dunno, Zork Zero was awesome. Maybe it's my old age but I seem to remember it came on like a dozen floppies. That game was next level.

 

[Tup3x]

Hmmmmmm...


Generally speaking, it looks like A770 is going to age better than RTX 3060.

Hogwarts Legacy Benchmark Test & Performance Analysis Review - VRAM Usage Record

Hogwarts Legacy lets you relive the steps of Harry Potter and is a fantastic adaptation of the books. In our performance review, we're taking a closer look at image quality, differences between the graphical setting presets, VRAM usage, and performance on a selection of modern graphics cards.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[QueBert]

That's still a ridiculous size for a control panel. What did they do? Put a 4K Bluray clip in there?

While I agree, this seems to be the norm now. The software so I could control the lighting on my Corsair keyboard was a lil over 4 gigs. Windows XP fit on a single CD. I understand the Corsair software does more than control lighting, but over 6 times the size of an entire OS? I don't understand at all.

 

[DeathReborn]

I'd like to see sites stop using the LE 16GB A770 and start using the model we can buy which is the 8GB model.

While I agree, this seems to be the norm now. The software so I could control the lighting on my Corsair keyboard was a lil over 4 gigs. Windows XP fit on a single CD. I understand the Corsair software does more than control lighting, but over 6 times the size of an entire OS? I don't understand at all.

Good news then, Windows 11 might soon control your Arr Gee Bees.

Windows 11 could replace bad gamer apps with built-in RGB lighting controls

Your gaming PC can be obnoxious, but your software shouldn't have to be.

arstechnica.com

 

[mikk]

I'd like to see sites stop using the LE 16GB A770 and start using the model we can buy which is the 8GB model.

There is no need for it we can buy A770 LE easily. However with the latest A750 price cut the slower variant makes more sense now, previusly the price gap was too small. Now it could be an option.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Review of the A750 at its new $250 price using the latest drivers -

The real concern is the power usage. The 1 to 4yr averages based on what power costs in some European countries, is frankly absurd. It makes the RX 6600 the easy pick.

Performance was overall good v. RX6600, but still some teething issues. While the new drivers fixed dying light 2 bugs, they completely broke Control so that the game wouldn't even start.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

PCworld's latest check up on ARC gaming performance. He doesn't get into other areas i.e. power usage, daily driver stability, encoding, streaming, etc.

The control panel being stand alone now is a big improvement IMO. Ray tracing is the real highlight. However for $350 here in the U.S. you are in RX 6700XT price range. At which point, I don't think ARC is compelling. I would have preferred he tested the A750 v. 6600 and 3050.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I wish he had done more RT benchmarks but the ones he chose show ARC beating both its rivals.

Overall, this should be a very compelling card for $300 once the Alchemist Refresh goes on sale.