Yup. Not all RAMDACs are created equal. Particularly the cheap 350MHz kind.
I suddenly feel old...
Yup. Not all RAMDACs are created equal. Particularly the cheap 350MHz kind.
I suddenly feel old...
IntelUser2000
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Battlemage is shown on the Intel roadmap as "2023-2024". Expecting it early is going to result in another disappointment. I can guess Battlemage being Q3/Q4 rather than Q1/Q2 for Alchemist.
I don't think it'll be horrible for Alchemist as some are expecting. Somewhere in the middle is always the reality, because hypes exist on both sides. The swings in emotions happen so regularly which is why things like share prices can be predicted.
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I had Creative GeForce 2 Pro and it had poor image quality. I think it was even worse than Gainward RivaTNT 2 Pro I had before. That being said, whole system including CRT changed so resolution did too. It was soft and every card since it (Gainward GeForce 2 Ti, Gainward GeForce 4 Ti 4200) had much better analogue image. In fact, after that GeForce 2 Pro image quality was a non issue.
G200 did have awesome image quality - razor sharp.
Heartbreaker
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Not just the RAMDACs, but you needed quality analog components in well designed circuits for the final output as well.
I had a Matrox 2D card back in the mid 90's exactly because it was well known for high quality output at higher refresh rates. I still have my Voodoo 3 in a box somewhere...
With Ampere and RDNA2 in stock and getting closer to MSRP, there's no reason to think people will actually buy any Arc over them. OEMs will OEM so they will get deals there... but I can't imagine Intel is in the mood to lose a bunch of money selling OEMs TSMC chips at well below cost.
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Yeah, unfortunate timing for Intel. They had more than a year where they could have sold anything, but if other cards return to MSRP, it looks like Intel will need to dump these at bargain basement pricing.
Ajay
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I seriously doubt that mid to high performance will return to the MSRPs of a couple of years ago. Anyway, I don’t expect Intel to represent a serious threat to it competition for ~ 4-5 years.
Of course. But the RAMDAC was still the most important component. Otherwise it'd just be garbage in, garbage out.
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Not only you, I was reminded of a cold afternoon during the 2000.
This on my cousin PC, I commented with him, how bad the imaged looked, somehow... Confusing because I had a TNT2 and I liked the image, at least on the different the games I played.
IntelUser2000
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Videocardz article is pointing to a leak that says Battlemage has 2560 EUs - just as I speculated a bit ago.
Bzzt, it's exactly like now.
I said,
That's 40 Xe cores by new Intel terminology for 1 tile and 160 for 4. Alchemist top config is 32.
40TFlop FP32 @ 1GHz. That's the kind of performance needed to get competitive with next-gen AMD/Nvidia cards.
From the original post:
Other configurations from the original leak
-128EUs or 8 Xe cores
-640EUs or 20 Xe cores x 2 tiles
-1344EUs or 28 Xe cores per tile x 3 tiles
Although Videocardz leak is saying x1 x2 x4 tiles. Tiles and having multiple different dies creates a potential flood of different configurations.
Bzzt, it's exactly like now.
I said,
That's 40 Xe cores by new Intel terminology for 1 tile and 160 for 4. Alchemist top config is 32.
40TFlop FP32 @ 1GHz. That's the kind of performance needed to get competitive with next-gen AMD/Nvidia cards.
From the original post:
Other configurations from the original leak
-128EUs or 8 Xe cores
-640EUs or 20 Xe cores x 2 tiles
-1344EUs or 28 Xe cores per tile x 3 tiles
Although Videocardz leak is saying x1 x2 x4 tiles. Tiles and having multiple different dies creates a potential flood of different configurations.
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16 EUs overall yes. Gen12.9 might switch from a DSS to a SS concept.
IGFX_METEORLAKE:
IGFX_ARROWLAKE:
Max_SS_DSS = GT_MAX_DUALSUBSLICE_PER_SLICE;
IGFX_ELG:
IGFX_LUNARLAKE:
// Prior to ELG, all Gen12+ products supported DSS. ELG onwards, there is no DSS concept (just SS).
Max_SS_DSS = GT_MAX_SUBSLICE_PER_SLICE
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So BM will be 4-5x faster than Arc?
Arc is the name for all generations of this product, so your statement makes no sense. It's like saying that the next gen of Nvidia will be 2 times faster than Geforce.
Alchemist, Battlemage and Celestial are different generations of Arc GPU's.
Intel promotes Raja Koduri to top graphics executive, without a GPU
Ex-AMD veteran Raja Koduri gets upgraded to Executive VP -- from his previous Senior VP title -- of Intel's GPU department.
www.tweaktown.com
He must have done something right to earn the promotion, right??? Wish Pat would mention that.
GodisanAtheist
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Intel promotes Raja Koduri to top graphics executive, without a GPU
Ex-AMD veteran Raja Koduri gets upgraded to Executive VP -- from his previous Senior VP title -- of Intel's GPU department.
He must have done something right to earn the promotion, right??? Wish Pat would mention that.
- Could be to quell some infighting at Intel and make sure there is a clear chain of command. I've worked in "flatter" management structures as well as highly tiered management structures, even within the same company. There are costs and benefits to both.
Could also just be signaling internally that Intel is 100% behind their GPU initiative, don't divert resources from this cause your pet project feels more important.
It could really mean a whole bunch of things, good or bad.
DrMrLordX
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Don't think so. He was already the head of his own group and reporting directly to Pat before this promotion.
DrMrLordX
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Ajay
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Maybe, but if it comes with a fat raise/stock options - I doubt he'll mind. I suspect it's to raise his visibility and give him a bit more clout amongst his peers. Also, attaboys don't hurt. He must be doing something right.
What really happened is Raja treated Pat to his wife's home cooked Indian Biryani. Pat was like, "Ohhhh yummmmm, this tastes so good, a promotion is in order!".
Intel promotes Raja Koduri to top graphics executive, without a GPU
Ex-AMD veteran Raja Koduri gets upgraded to Executive VP -- from his previous Senior VP title -- of Intel's GPU department.
He must have done something right to earn the promotion, right??? Wish Pat would mention that.
People don't necessarily get promotions for "doing something right", instead they often "make a lot of noise and self promote". As a random stab though I'd guess he wanted the entire division under his control and made noise about drivers needing to answer to him because that's causing delays.
Which, I mean, fair enough on the drivers if so.
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