Intel G620 graphics = to ?

[Charlie98]

I have an Intel G620 I plan on putting into my HTPC build and use the on-board HD graphics. Out of curiosity, what descreet GPU would the Intel HD graphics be equal to? (I'm not talking exact, but in general terms.)

I used the OBG of my 2500K for a while until I got my GTX card and found it pretty capable, I'm just curious about the G620's graphics.

 

[dac7nco]

Pretty terrible in 3D, decent in desktop apps. Looking at Anand's Sandy Bridge Pentium review, it's spanked by a 5450.

Daimon

 

[T_Yamamoto]

Would get a low profile 5450.

 

[dma0991]

Pretty much useless when you compare with current low end discrete GPUs. The G620 only comes with HD graphics unlike the higher end HD2000/HD3000 which is usable but nothing spectacular. The HD6310 is miles better than HD graphics but gaming performance for older titles arent spectacular, only playable.

But I could say with great confidence that HD graphics is miles better than my TNT2 Riva.

 

[truckerCLOCK]

Im running a G530 in my second HTPC and it plays every HD file I have ..even 3D files. The only reason you would need a discrete card is for MPC-HC + madVR. Check your codec and make sure quicksync is enabled.

 

[Meghan54]

Im running a G530 in my second HTPC and it plays every HD file I have ..even 3D files. The only reason you would need a discrete card is for MPC-HC + madVR. Check your codec and make sure quicksync is enabled.

Ummmmm.....when you say quicksync, I'm assuming you're referring to Intel's Quick Sync, right? And you are also aware that neither the G530 nor the G620 has the Quick Sync feature, right?

 

[hans007]

The HD graphics is the same as the hd 2000 . Xbitlabs did benchmarks to prove it. All you lose is quicksync

 

[truckerCLOCK]

Ummmmm.....when you say quicksync, I'm assuming you're referring to Intel's Quick Sync, right? And you are also aware that neither the G530 nor the G620 has the Quick Sync feature, right?

Ummmm...dont know where you got that but been using LAV Filters, with QuickSync on LAV Video Decoder for several months now on a G530 and the only problems I have is when I try and use Madvr. AVS Forum is down to an upgrade right now but when it comes back up Ill post a link to the quicksync thread.

 

[Magic Carpet]

I use integrated on my G530 and it's ok, but I do get blue screens with some applications (due to drivers). Compatibility & support could be better. Neither AMD or NVIDIA struggle in these situations.

Therefore, I prefer discreet video cards.

Charlie, get Geforce 520. It's the most efficient HTPC card at the moment.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I use an i5 661 as HTPC. Its about the same GFX power I guess. Just plain silly to add a discrete card.

 

[Charlie98]

I use integrated on my G530 and it's ok, but I do get blue screens with some applications (due to drivers). Compatibility & support could be better. Neither AMD or NVIDIA struggle in these situations.

Therefore, I prefer discreet video cards.

Charlie, get Geforce 520. It's the most efficient HTPC card at the moment.

I was looking at those, too.

What I would want is a passively cooled card... what I don't want is having a card with a small, noisy fan that winds up; the HTPC will be front and center out in the open. But I also need a foolproof solution... my wife will be using it, too.

...and I should probably throw a qualifier out there: Typical HTPC use, no gaming (or I wouldn't be using the G620 ) Netflix streaming (which doesn't depend on the GPU anyway, correct?) 1080P playback.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Start wit the IGP. And see if you think you need a discrete card

 

[Charlie98]

Start wit the IGP. And see if you think you need a discrete card

No, that's where I'll be, but I like to plan for the future! It took me 4 months to pick a GPU for my 2500K build, for heaven's sake... D: But to that end, I like to know what I'm working with, too.

As I say, I found the HD3000 graphics pretty capable (I was running MW2 on it... ) and the consensus has been that the standard HD graphics will work OK for HTPC.

 

[Magic Carpet]

I was looking at those, too.

What I would want is a passively cooled card... what I don't want is having a card with a small, noisy fan that winds up; the HTPC will be front and center out in the open. But I also need a foolproof solution... my wife will be using it, too.

This is what I have. Silent and efficient, with dual DVI ports.

...and I should probably throw a qualifier out there: Typical HTPC use, no gaming (or I wouldn't be using the G620 ) Netflix streaming (which doesn't depend on the GPU anyway, correct?) 1080P playback.

To be frank, that CPU power alone will be enough for HTPC. Geforce just gives you more features and reliable drivers support.

 

[truckerCLOCK]

Link to Celeron G530/G620/G840 running with quicksync enabled ...AVS Forum Intel Quicksync Thread

Intel QuickSync video decoder also works with Celeron/Pentium SNB. At playback of 1080p24 AVC with Pentium G840,
CPU usage System power
libavcodec+madVR 40% 55W
Intel QuickSync+madVR 20% 52W
Playing back 1080i60 AVC is more interesting. A weaker SNB processor can't handle decoding and deinterlacing simultaneously with libavcodec, but it can with Intel QuickSync.

- Celeron G530/Pentium G620/Pentium G840 SNB processor
- ASRock Z68 Pro3-M
- DDR3-2133 2 x 2GB (@2133MHz)
- Intel HD Graphics
- MPC HomeCinema, LAV Source/Splitter, ffdshow Video Decoder (libavcodec/Intel QuckSync, yadif on), madVR (softcubic 100); LAV Audio Decoder, ReClock (media adaptiation + WASAPI exclusive mode)
- La Traviata (2010) [2 min HD i video MKV].mkv (1080i60, AVC, DTS-HD MA)

libavcodec
Celeron G530 2.4GHz Pentium G620 2.6GHz Pentium G840 2.8GHz
Dropped frames 4129 910 0
CPU usage (average) 90% 90% 87%
GPU usage (average) 44% 84% 84%
Rendering time (average) 16.37 ms 14.10 ms 13.62 ms
Intel QuickSync
Celeron G530 2.4GHz Pentium G620 2.6GHz Pentium G840 2.8GHz
Dropped frames 2 0 0
CPU usage (average) 69% 61% 61%
GPU usage (average) 93% 86% 86%
Rendering time (average) 14.96 ms 13.81 ms 13.78 ms
Unfortunately, 6 EUs are not enough even for Bicubic 50 in luma upsampling (rendering time ~18ms for SD video-based contents [rendering time must be less than 1/59.94 s = 16.68ms]). Celeron G530/Pentium G620 HD Graphics (+ DDR3-2133) is good enough for every kind of contents with Intel QuickSync + madVR Low Quality (bilinear/bilinear/bilinear). I still prefer madVR LQ to EVR because of smoother playback.

 

[Stuka87]

Ummmm...dont know where you got that but been using LAV Filters, with QuickSync on LAV Video Decoder for several months now on a G530 and the only problems I have is when I try and use Madvr. AVS Forum is down to an upgrade right now but when it comes back up Ill post a link to the quicksync thread.

Dude, the G530 does NOT have quicksync.

http://ark.intel.com/products/53414/Intel-Celeron-Processor-G530-(2M-Cache-2_40-GHz)

 

[truckerCLOCK]

Dude, the G530 does NOT have quicksync.

http://ark.intel.com/products/53414/Intel-Celeron-Processor-G530-(2M-Cache-2_40-GHz)

Ok if thats the case then why am I given the option to use it when configuring LAV?

 

[birthdaymonkey]

I didn't think it had quicksync either, but I just checked and sure enough on my G620 it shows "available" when I select quicksync in LAV video decoder. This is with a Z68 board.

 

[DaveSimmons]

I played a bit of Half Life 2 and a lot of Torchlight 1 (normal mode not netbook mode) with HD2000 graphics on my i3 media jukebox. It's fine for very old games and light 3D.

 

[Stuka87]

My guess is LAV "thinks" that quicksync is there.

The test would be to test performance with it on and off. My guess is it will be the same.

 

[borisvodofsky]

Link to Celeron G530/G620/G840 running with quicksync enabled ...AVS Forum Intel Quicksync Thread

So, you're saying my sandybridge can't play 1080p 60?

 

[truckerCLOCK]

My guess is LAV "thinks" that quicksync is there.

The test would be to test performance with it on and off. My guess is it will be the same.

Here are some tests that were run on another forum........
w/o Intel Quicksync
Celeron G530 2.4GHz Pentium G620 2.6GHz Pentium G840 2.8GHz
Dropped frames 4129 910 0
CPU usage (average) 90% 90% 87%
GPU usage (average) 44% 84% 84%
Rendering time (average) 16.37 ms 14.10 ms 13.62 ms

Intel QuickSync
Celeron G530 2.4GHz Pentium G620 2.6GHz Pentium G840 2.8GHz
Dropped frames 2 0 0
CPU usage (average) 69% 61% 61%
GPU usage (average) 93% 86% 86%

 

[truckerCLOCK]

So, you're saying my sandybridge can't play 1080p 60?

No Im saying that any of the current Intel CPU's with IPG , Celeron - I7 can play almost if not all HD content. I built a sub $200 HTPC with a G530 that plays all 1080p 24/60 video files with ease. The only reason you would need a discrete card would be for 3D or Madvr.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I didn't think it had quicksync either, but I just checked and sure enough on my G620 it shows "available" when I select quicksync in LAV video decoder. This is with a Z68 board.

They may be calling it "QuickSync", but I thought that was for transcoding. AFAIK, all SB/IB CPUs include decode support in hardware, but the encode support ("QuickSync") was only enabled in the higher-end CPUs.

 

[Magic Carpet]

I have a Celeron G540 for HTPC duties and to be frank, it's not that better than a dual-core Conroe (2006); (which you can pick up used for as low as $20). versus $50 G530. A used 775 board / combo also costs little.

I built a 775 HTPC (2GB DDR2+mATX+3.0 Conroe) for $50 the other day. Talk value for money. And if you add in a discrete video card, for the same price you will get a better system. The only bonus of the newer tech is reduced power consumption but it comes for a price, though. Sometimes, it makes sense and sometimes it doesn't. You decide. Before AVX2 makes everything obsolete, it will have taken some time. Until that happens I'll keep buying used stuff for best value for money. And when it does... I'll only lose "this much". Big deal.

Best power saving technique is Off/Sleep button. Now I have got a LED panel which only consumes 8W at full load. But I didn't get it for low power, just needed a new, small panel.

All this talk ^ makes me bored, lol. Sorry guys.