Intel G3 SSD Roadmap

Anubis

No Lifer
Aug 31, 2001
78,712
427
126
tbqhwy.com
i know that the rumor is prices are going to drop with the new gen. however im curious and scared about what a 600 GB SSD is gonna cost
 

Old Hippie

Diamond Member
Oct 8, 2005
6,361
1
0
Maybe I'd better get my G2s on Ebay now! :)

On second thought, maybe I'd better wait to see if the 25nm units have any ....shall we say....quirks.
 
Last edited:

Edrick

Golden Member
Feb 18, 2010
1,939
230
106
If rumor prices hold true, Im really excited about getting a 160GB for about $220.
 

Burner27

Diamond Member
Jul 18, 2001
4,452
50
101
Maybe I'd better get my G2s on Ebay now! :)

On second thought, maybe I'd better wait to see if the 25nm units have any ....shall we say....quirks.

I agree with you. I am going to wait to see benchmarks, user reviews and see if within 3 months they release a firmware that 'corrects weirdness' with the drives like they did with the G2s.....
 

khon

Golden Member
Jun 8, 2010
1,318
124
106
Is there a difference between the X25-M and the X25-V other than size ?

I ask because I want an 80GB model, and that is apparently no longer available in the X25-M lineup.
 

MJinZ

Diamond Member
Nov 4, 2009
8,192
0
0
i know that the rumor is prices are going to drop with the new gen. however im curious and scared about what a 600 GB SSD is gonna cost

Gonna be awesome man.

I remember when Samsung SSDs cost $2000 for like 64gb. :awe:
 

Edrick

Golden Member
Feb 18, 2010
1,939
230
106
Is there a difference between the X25-M and the X25-V other than size ?

I ask because I want an 80GB model, and that is apparently no longer available in the X25-M lineup.

Yes, speed (and size).

However, my X25-V which is rated at only 170Mb/s actually tests over 200Mb/s.
 
Last edited:

khon

Golden Member
Jun 8, 2010
1,318
124
106
I think Intel is going in the wrong direction with this.

What I think a lot of people wanted was lower priced SSDs, not larger SSDs.

80GBs is plenty for a boot drive, I just need it to be fast (over 200MB/s read/write) and cheap (below $150).
 

Makaveli

Diamond Member
Feb 8, 2002
4,952
1,544
136
I will have to disgree with you on this one.

We have had 80GB's SSD and lower size for quite a while now. People want bigger SSD's aswell as lower cost one but not lower cost smaller ssd which is already on the market.

People also want TRIM working in RAID which would greatly increase the sales on smaller SSD's (maybe this is the reason they haven't bothered to fix it)

And why would you need 200 mb/s read and write on a boot drive?

I'm still scared to see what that 600GB SSD will cost.

I'm currently sitting on a 160GB G2 drive and will be sitting on the fence if the prices are reasonable on the middle size drive in those releases.

I could still get a reasonable amount of cash for my current ssd considering I haven't even broken 800GB's in Host writes.
 

khon

Golden Member
Jun 8, 2010
1,318
124
106
I have a couple of TBs of data, so SSDs are nowhere near being able to meet my needs when it comes to storage, thus size is somewhat irrelevant.

What SSDs can do though is speed up the lauch time for all of my programs, and for that purpose they're already more than large enough.

Thus the relevant aspects are speed and price, not size.
 

Makaveli

Diamond Member
Feb 8, 2002
4,952
1,544
136
I have a couple of TBs of data, so SSDs are nowhere near being able to meet my needs when it comes to storage, thus size is somewhat irrelevant.

What SSDs can do though is speed up the lauch time for all of my programs, and for that purpose they're already more than large enough.

Thus the relevant aspects are speed and price, not size.

For you!
 

Edrick

Golden Member
Feb 18, 2010
1,939
230
106
And you have that drive on the ICH10R controller with AHCI enabled?

Yes. It is my boot drive connected directly to my MB (see below). No RAID. ICH10R and AHCI.

And my latest test show it was running at 204Mb/s. It is 68% full. I love the thing, best $110 I spent on my PC. I am looking forward to G3 however.
 

Edrick

Golden Member
Feb 18, 2010
1,939
230
106
And why would you need 200 mb/s read and write on a boot drive?

I want 600 mb/s on my boot/program drive. :twisted:

It is not a matter of need. It is a matter of want. I do not "need" to OC my system, but I do. :)
 

MagickMan

Diamond Member
Aug 11, 2008
7,460
3
76
If rumor prices hold true, Im really excited about getting a 160GB for about $220.

I strongly doubt it. Expect to see a 15-20% drop in prices and then a gradual decrease over the next year. They aren't going to leave money on the table if they don't have to.
 

scooterlibby

Senior member
Feb 28, 2009
752
0
0
I really would love an affordable 300gb SSD. I boot from a Velociraptor 300gb and also have my games on it and that has been totally sufficient when coupled with a regular 7200rpm for other storage.
 

Anubis

No Lifer
Aug 31, 2001
78,712
427
126
tbqhwy.com
True, but I think the same applies for most PCs.

most users id agree.

power users not so much. TBH a 300GB SSD is what i want as a boot/program drive. i just don't feel like paying for one currently.

my main reason for is that my "desktop" sees a lot of in and out of various large files. 10s of GBs and a 80Gb SSD wont cut it for that 160 would be cutting it close after win+programs install
 

Mark R

Diamond Member
Oct 9, 1999
8,513
16
81
I will have to disgree with you on this one.

We have had 80GB's SSD and lower size for quite a while now. People want bigger SSD's aswell as lower cost one but not lower cost smaller ssd which is already on the market.

People also want TRIM working in RAID which would greatly increase the sales on smaller SSD's (maybe this is the reason they haven't bothered to fix it)

And why would you need 200 mb/s read and write on a boot drive?

I'm still scared to see what that 600GB SSD will cost.

Lower cost will come with the smaller process flash memory, and with increasing production. Higher capacity will also come, at the same and higher price points -as the technology becomes more established.

Right now, SSDs are firmly targetted at the enterprise market, where the very high speeds are most desirable, and where the customers are most willing to pay. In the server market, it's been random read/write that has been the bottleneck, not capacity. Customers who currently buy 12 15k SAS drives in RAID may instead choose to upgrade to a single SSD. Even the value type drives tend to be targetted at business desktops where the apps justify the cost, and where large storage isn't required. The thing is that the business market is the market most likely to accept the cost, so as long as there is a limit in terms of production capacity - they may as well only target that segment.

TRIM in RAID isn't really in issue from the manufacturer's perspective. That's an OS issue - and as it is, a very difficult one. TRIM violates the fundamental assumption of RAID, which is that the storage contents are determinate. The contents of a TRIMmed sector are undefined (they may be 0, they may be random, etc). - this puts huge restrictions of using TRIM in a redundant array (e.g. whole stripe only in RAID 5/6) and still causes a problem - because it makes it impossible to check the array for consistency (TRIMmed sectors on different drives may not necessarily contain consistent data). Not only that but TRIM is horribly slow and will 'stall' a drive while it runs - this isn't ideal for a high performance storage system. Only RAID 0 is simple to implement TRIM on - but RAID 0 has no place in the business segment where SSDs are currently targetted - so there's little to be gained by investing R&D time in TRIM on RAID support (especially as implementing TRIM on RAID support would approach the complexity of building the entire RAID system itself).

What would be better than TRIM support - would be good quality background garbage collection which would ensure a decent pool of immediately writeable flash pages - without the need to rely on specific OS versions and specific drivers for optimal performance. We already have the sandforce controllers that do this, and the next gen Intel controllers should also do this - hopefully, these designs should render TRIM largely obsolete.

There are many reasons why you might want speed on a 'boot drive'. Even small SSDs have plenty of space for a OS and core apps. Some apps (like databases, development work, etc.) are highly dependent on rapid access to their data, yet may only need a few GB of capacity. For that a 40 or 80 GB drive is plenty.

As for the maximum capacity drives - if sir has to ask the price, sir would not be able to afford it.
 

Zargon

Lifer
Nov 3, 2009
12,218
2
76
I really would love an affordable 300gb SSD. I boot from a Velociraptor 300gb and also have my games on it and that has been totally sufficient when coupled with a regular 7200rpm for other storage.



my steam folder is almost that big :(
 

LokutusofBorg

Golden Member
Mar 20, 2001
1,065
0
76
There are many reasons why you might want speed on a 'boot drive'. Even small SSDs have plenty of space for a OS and core apps. Some apps (like databases, development work, etc.) are highly dependent on rapid access to their data, yet may only need a few GB of capacity. For that a 40 or 80 GB drive is plenty.

As for the maximum capacity drives - if sir has to ask the price, sir would not be able to afford it.
I have a 120GB Vertex 2 at work, and I work with multiple databases and my codebase is hundreds of thousands of lines of code. It's all on the SSD and the thing is only half full.

I'm trying to convince my company to go with PCIe SSD drives for our DB servers. The OCZ Z-Drives are very affordable, even at Dell prices (which includes Dell support, which is critical).
 

Sp12

Senior member
Jun 12, 2010
799
0
76
Like I even care about an increase in sustained reads. It's not half as big of a deal as randoms.

I just want even shorter latencies.