Intel fans: Word on Intel's plans for new PIII's

[Zephyr]

"But what does this have to do with anything that the normal PC user does as in play games, run Photoshop make web pages run MS office and on and on. I think nothing."

Actually it does mean a lot to normal pc users. While the difference isn't too huge in todays apps, it might be in tomorrows thereby prolonging the life of the system. Ofcourse it doesn't matter if you upgrade to the latest and greatest every 3 months, but I think it's safe to say that most computerusers have their system for at least a couple of years.

Secondly there's another point here to be made. The K7 is more advanced than anything Intel currently offers. The pontential for even greater preformence is there, yet the world seems slow to take advantage of this potential. As long as Intel has a stronghold on the market it will be like thisn. New and superiour technology will be repressed by business interests.

Besides it all really boils down to one thing, where do I get the most bang for my bucks.. and that's with AMD.

 

[ragiepew]

NOS- Your right, I dont use 3dstudio/cad stuff 5+ hours a day, what i do is network administration so I am around quite a few people that do use those programs daily (thats what I think i mentioned in my post).


I also would venture to say that if you were such a "power" user than 1-5% difference in performance would be a big interest to you. instead you seem to crap all over people who like AMD for no apperant reason. Im no AMD zealot, hell all but one of my computers has Intel inside (8 comps total), but i do agree that at the current time, AMD has the better product. Once p4 debutes, who knows, but until then... CuMine is not the performance leader, hell not even the MHz leader... and that is what "normal" and "everyday" users look for... raw MHz speed, AMD has them tied, and I'm sure that they can release (and really release, not that paper launch crap) faster cpu's in the range of 1.2GHz on their current process.

alin

 

[NOS440]

ragiepew

Yea I am a power user. But also I run my PC with 4 multi media PCI cards and of course a Geforce 2 and 6 USB devices a external modem and a remote control unit for my DVD card that runs on a serial port and a network with 4 other PC's I serve the Internet to and games. Anyways what I'm getting at is with my Athlon system I had constant head aches trying to run all these devices stablely and Overclock. This was with a K7M Irongate chipset and a VIA KX133 chipset Abit. I could never go a week without some problem even at stock speeds. So I gave the Athlon the toss and went to a VIA 133a chipset Asus p3v4x and didn't even reload windows. Just wiped out the device manager and changes the Motherboard and processor and BAM rock stable no IRQ problems no flaky lock ups and 1022 mhz. Lets see you do that with a Athlon I bet you can't.

 

[NOS440]

Zephyr

"The pontential for even greater preformence is there, yet the world seems slow to take advantage of this potential"

It would be very easy for AMD to make this happen all they have to do is design a compiler and release it to software developer's. Its part of my complaint about AMD and there total system offering not just the Athlon.

 

[ZapZilla]

Zephyr, I believe that Intel has contract issues with Rambus that prevent Intel from creating non-Rambus chipsets for the P4 (If I remember right, up to 2003), thus, the licence to VIA for non-Rambus solutions.

< Note to self: read links before replying... >

 

[Zephyr]

&quot;It would be very easy for AMD to make this happen all they have to do is design a compiler and release it to software developer's.&quot;

I have no insight how easy and time/manpowerconsuming writing a compiler is, but obviously AMD can't just write one just like that, or else they would have. Besides I think any complaining about Athlon is pretty moot anyway.. you get a pretty much preforming on par/ slightly faster part for a lot less than a P3.

 

[NOS440]

how do you figure that!! my 700e cost me 199$ and runs 1022mhz. My motherboard cost me 108$ can you get a Athlon to run at that speed for that price I think not.

 

[Scrooge2]

This place is starting to sound like a war-room. I wouldn't get too hot-headed over this. It's good to have some healthy compitition between the top companies. If we all remember a year or two ago Intel was the top dog in proccessors, and boy were they expensive. I believe that every money-making sector in the buisness world needs to have two leaders who compete against each other. I doubt Intel will ever fall, they've got much more expereince than AMD. It's a classic case of the ye olde exp against the new youthful vigor. Anyways their eternal battles will only benifit one group of people, us-the consumer, by pumping out more top of the line technologies at cheaper prices. Anyways buisness always has a tendancey to balance out, personally, i wouldnt worry about any of the two dueling factors.

-Scrooge

 

[NOS440]

Very good point Scrooge2

 

[Zephyr]

700@1022 .. so that would mean you run FSB at 142Mhz? .. I think I'll pass thank you very much.. I choose not to o/c other than to counter binsplitting. I prefer stability. Why don't you compare a PIII with an Athlon at stock speed instead. Besides I wouldn't be too sure that an Athlon 700 ($150 on pricewatch) can't hit 1022MHz.. if we're talking 900core and 2.8ns L2 it most definately can. And that's without o/c'ing the FSB!

 

[han888]

nos, i like intel product! i love it, and i use it! but i bought athlon700 with asus k7v, because i want to know about amd product too!!

and sorry i just want to correct this statement!
&quot;Yea thats why Geforce coupled with a P-3 with agp 4X whipped the pants off the athlon and still does at Q-3 and 3Dmark 2000 and on and on&quot;

i have asus v7700 on my ahtlon700 and i got 4 x agp with fast write enable!

if u want a prove, give me your email, and i will give u my motherboard information show on sisoft sandra to you

 

[han888]

ohh i am forgot

for athlon user!

can u teach me how to overlock my ahtlon system??
the best i can do just 800mhz!

this is my system specification!

athlon700 + golden orb
asus k7v revision 1003
asus v7700
128 sdram hyundai pc133 + 2 X 64 meg elite mt ( 444/522) cas3

 

[DDad]

Nos-
If Intel is so superior, how about if you refrain from posting until either the PIII 1 ghz or the PIII 1.13 ghz show up on Pricewatch.
Surely a company with such a overwhelming advantage in R&amp;D, manufacturing, marketing, and market share would surely be able to get it's latest products to the market quickly
Your starting to sound a lot like GUTB

 

[NOS440]

Zephyr

Its easy to nit pick the FSB when the system you own doesn't have enough nuts to do it. Besides if I had a Athlon I wouldn't FSB overclock either there flaky enough without FSB Overclocking. My system is rock stable at this Bus speed thatnks to Intel's superior engineering.

DDad

Anyone that would buy a 1 ghz processor from either company is plain stupid anyway's so who cares.

 

[kingink]

I really like shuclams sig. That is about all that was worthwhile out of this whole thread. It looks like someone has been trolling for arguments...
why don't the mods lock these when they are out of the scope of the forum? anyway.

kingink

 

[DDad]

Nos
Your proving your ignorance again- to wit:
&quot;Anyone that would buy a 1 ghz processor from either company is plain stupid anyway's so who cares.&quot;
Notice that in my post I never mentioned buying, I just mentioned actually appearing. This is a not so subtle point that Intel hasn't actually released it's product, just to the OEMS (and damned few at that). Like it or not, you can actually buy a 1 ghz Athlon- in either version. Too bad that went right over your head
Q- If someone is &quot;plain stupid&quot; to buy a 1 ghz processor, who is going to be the dunce when the P IV comes out- just think, you also get to buy a new board AND Rambus. The good news is that maybe the PIII 1 ghz will be available by then. And the price won't look too bad when compared to the $1500 or so the P IV will probably set you back (BTW, I'm figuring $800 for the CPU, $150 for the board, and $500 for the Rambus)

 

[Zephyr]

NOS

You fail to realize that an FSB at 146MHz is not normal, and can very easily cause problems. I'm not saying your system isn't rock stable.. like you seem to like implying that mine is not (which is quite contrary to the truth BTW).. what I'm saying is that an FSB might very well cause problems. For the same reasons I've never done FSB o/c myself.. I've seen it be done and I've never seen a stable FSB o/ced system ever... besides it's a matter of trust. I know I can trust my hardware running at stock speed, but o/c'ed I can't trust it. The ONLY o/c I've ever done on my own systems is GFD o/c on my athlon running it at the speed it was originally binned at.

I realize that most people in the enthusiast community wil probably not agree with me on my opinions regarding o/c, but I think most would agree though, that FSB 146MHz is not something you can consider an allround solution, but rather a pretty high o/c with lots of potential problems.

Oh and another thing... tell me again how &quot;Intels superiour engineering&quot; is responisble for your high FSB? I thought you were using a Via mobo?

EDIT: typos...

 

[NOS440]

DDad You better get up on the news the Williamette will have DDR sdram chipsets. Also I will not upgrade to a williamette till at least 6 months after its release the price will be to high.


Zephyr 146 front side bus is nothing it causes no problems with PCI and AGP card when used on a 815 or VIA133a chipset mother board. PCI 36.5 mhz AGP 73mhz whats the big deal. There are lots of people that will contest to this FACT.

 

[DDad]

Nos:
I highly suggest that you take a Evelyn Woods reading course, you need help comprehending things:
&quot;DDad You better get up on the news the Williamette will have DDR sdram chipsets&quot;

From Aces Hardware: &quot;Intel has stated that they have no plans to use DDR SDRAM with the Pentium 4 at the moment, only that they are considering the standard&quot;
From EBnews:&quot;Intel Corp. is bringing focus to its shifting chipset and memory roadmap by confirming that it will &quot;investigate&quot; the use of double-data-rate SDRAM to support its upcoming mainstream Pentium 4 microprocessor.&quot;
Notice that NO ONE states that Intel will use DDR, but that they are investigating it.
Now I've read several articles on this, and from what I've read, the Earliest you can expect a DDR P IV chipset is &quot;late 2001&quot;

I'm not even going to mention the possibility of legal problems Intel will have with Rambus if they go with DDR

By that time, I suspect AMD will be pushing the 1.7-2 ghz mark, leaving Intel behind again

 

[NOS440]

DDad Again I will say your the one that needs to read up. Intel has granted a cross tech agreement with ALI, VIA to develop a DDR Sdram chipset for the pentuim 3 and 4 so please get the facts straight the only reason Intel isn't doing it themselves is they have a contract not to with Rambus. I truely believe that Intel will do most of the developing on this chipset in the background and just let the others produce it because they are under agreement not to produce it.

 

[Zephyr]

NOS

I diagree with you on the FSB issue.. it's a big deal to me.. plain and simple. I prefer to keep my FSB where I can trust it. Besides you for get something.. if you o/c a EV6 it's multiplied by two.. meaning if you run 120MHz on the EV6 you're actually o/cing to 240MHz... now that's a pretty good o/c in my opinion BTW.. not that I would ever do it, but some might.

 

[NOS440]

I hear what your saying but what I'm saying is that what is true for the Athlon EV6 bus is not true for the P-3 and the way your stating the FSB Overclock as creating instability in a P-3 setup is misleading. It may cause these thing on the EV6 bus but its fine on a P-3. Besides if a person doesn't wan't these possible problem 7 X 133 = 933 or 7.5 X 133 = 1000 or 8 X 133 = 1066 and all this is done without modding the processor.

 

[DDad]

Jeez this is getting tiresome:
From the same EBnews article (BTW Dated last Friday):
&quot;Also at issue is whether Intel will license its Pentium 4 bus architecture to allow third-party chipset vendors to supply their own logic controllers-particularly DDR chipsets. Under the latter scenario, it isn't clear if Intel would go as far as to sanction outside vendors or simply look the other way. However, sources said that Intel's sudden interest in SDRAM may help explain last week's disclosure by Via Technologies Inc., Taipei, Taiwan, that it plans to field DDR-enabled chipsets for the Pentium 4 with or without an Intel license. &quot;

Via has announced that it will produce a chipset with or without a licence, which I personally have to question given the recent Intel-Via lawsuit