Intel E2220 VS AMD X2 5400+ .. Which one better?

[stardreamer77]

hi..
need to built a system for BT and HD Movie, but now don't know Intel E2220 2.4G 1M and AMD X2 5400+ 2.6G, which one is better . ( without overclocking.) this 2 CPU is same price at my place..

thanks...

 

[zach0624]

the two are probably pretty equal however the edge most likely goes to the e2200. If you are watching HD movies however a 780G and a AMD x2 4850e(not sure if the name is right) would be a great choice because of great integrated video (blows away any intel chipset) and is low powered. Anandtech actually recently compare different AMD and Intel offerings for a Media Center PC.

 

[stardreamer77]

thanks...
if i want to play blu-ray (HD movie),with normal onboard VGA like 945CG or nvidia 6100 or 7025, can this 2 cpu handle it? which one is better? thanks...

 

[heyheybooboo]

The X2 5400+ Brisbane 65w is 2.8GHz.

I don't think any of the mobo IGP chipsets you mentioned feature HD h264 or VC-1 hardware acceleration so it would depend upon the bitrate of the file you wish to play and the software/player/codecs being used. I imagine either of the microprocessors would work but the cpu utilization would be up.

The AMD 780g IGP off-loads h264 and VC-1 decoding and reduces cpu utilization.

 

[imported_nightfox]

Without overclocking I'd say the Athlon 5400+ is better.

 

[kotrtim]

http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=462

I would say 780G + 4850e 45W (2.5GHz), since BT is considered idle, you can save some power.

Graphic chip's architecture is suitable for HD decoding, on the other hand x86 CPU is going to struggle, a graphic chip that supports HD decoding reduces the CPU load significantly. Without the help of graphic chip, there might be some frame drop while playing back high resolution videos by using pure CPU power, but I think the procs you mentioned should have enough power to decode them..... but they will struggle (very high CPU utilization).

 

[Rhoxed]

actually my 3800+ x2 @ 2.7 could play any HD media no problem (without GPU acceleration)


i would go for the AMD

 

[aigomorla]

without overclocking,

The AMD wins.

Anyone that says Intel wins, is considering overclocking, or is a fanboy in regards to this question.

For HTPC nothing beats a 4450e + 780g combo.

I would recomend the 4450e instead. 45W + should handle any movie you throw at and even some medium games.

And should run super cool and Quiet!

Nothing will beat this as a htpc setup in power draw / performance / price.
Unless you want to spend 3x more and go on the Intel Mobile P platform as desktop.

 

[solog]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

For HTPC nothing beats a 4450e + 780g combo.

I would recomend the 4450e instead. 45W + should handle any movie you throw at and even some medium games.

And should run super cool and Quiet!

Nothing will beat this as a htpc setup in power draw / performance / price.

I think a 4600+ would be a better deal (using your power draw, performance and price criteria). Using newegg prices, the 4450e is $79.50 currently. The 4600+ is $60.

I might be wrong on this but using a .5 multiplier (like the 4450e) would run the ram at below its rated speed unless you change the bus speed. So, you get 100MHz more, ram at rated speed for $19.50 less. You use maybe 5 watts more or so at peak


edit: Sorry, the 4600+ is $57. $22.50 less

 

[daveybrat]

AMD cpu + 780G motherboard would be the best combo.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: solog

I think a 4600+ would be a better deal (using your power draw, performance and price criteria). Using newegg prices, the 4450e is $79.50 currently. The 4600+ is $60.

edit: Sorry, the 4600+ is $57. $22.50 less

45W vs 65W.

the 4450e is a 45W cpu. Means out of the box it will run cooler, and draw less power then the 4600+.

45W also means it can be in harsher enviorments. Since it puts out less heat.

So i still recomend the 45W cpu over the 65W cpu for a HTPC. :T

 

[solog]

those are just ratings. Doesn't mean they use that much power. I believe they are all Brisbane core so they differ (apart from labels) in clock speed and I believe voltage used ( the e use a slightly lower voltage which can also be done on the normal Brisbanes but I think that might not allow you to use Cool 'n Quiet)

For example the 4200+, 4600+, 4800+, 5000+, 5200+ and the 5400+ are all rated at 65W TDP yet they all don't use 65 watts. Only the 5400+ should use that much at peak. Like I was saying, it should be 5 watts at the most. And that is only under heavy demand. Yes, it should put out less heat but I think most people with htpc will be paying more attention to the movie being played instead of seeing whether that non e cpu is running 1° C more.

"Honey, is it hotter in here? YES! It is 0.001° warmer in this room. I told you we should have bought the 4450e!"

 

[solog]

looks like even the 5600+ is rated at 65W TDP and that runs at 2.9GHz

edit: and a 45W TDP rating vs. a 65W TDP rating in a harsh environment isn't an issue for most people. If you want to run your HTPC outdoors in Saudi Arabia, maybe.

 

[nyker96]

without benching them I would say about equal maybe E2220 little faster in games.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: solog
looks like even the 5600+ is rated at 65W TDP and that runs at 2.9GHz

edit: and a 45W TDP rating vs. a 65W TDP rating in a harsh environment isn't an issue for most people. If you want to run your HTPC outdoors in Saudi Arabia, maybe.

inside a cabnet?

And what do you think TDP means?
And your forgetting the cool and quiet feature on that AMD.
Which would own even more on that 45W.

:T

Anything else?

Originally posted by: nyker96
without benching them I would say about equal maybe E2220 little faster in games.

Nah... the 5600+ is faster.

Put a E4500, thats a different story. Maybe those would be =

 

[solog]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

inside a cabnet?

And what do you think TDP means?
And your forgetting the cool and quiet feature on that AMD.
Which would own even more on that 45W.

:T

Anything else?

Inside a cabinet? Sure, why not. Of course it will get a lot warmer than if it had a lot of empty space around it, but that applies to both cpus. Some people on this forum might be upset with the temps but there should be no problems unless you were to do something silly like tape over all the vents/exhausts. Now if we were talking about one of the 125W TDP rated cpus then thats a different story.

I thought TDP stood for thermal design power. Surely, you are not about to argue that all those cpus I listed above will use 65 watts?

Now I made the claim that the difference between the cpus that you and I listed was about 5 watts at peak. Newegg says the 4600+ Brisbane core uses 1.325/1.35/1.375V and the 4450e uses 1.15/1.20/1.25V (there were no voltage listings for either but I took those of a 4800+ Brisbane and the 4850e which I believe should be the same, please correct me if I'm wrong). We already know there is a 100MHz difference. If you have any info that my 5 watt estimate is incorrect, please post it.

I did not forget about the Cool 'n Quiet feature. Both cpus have it.

So there you have it. You will pay almost 40% more to get a cpu that runs 100MHz slower, runs your PC6400 ram slower than spec (unless you increase the bus speed) and saves 5 watts per hour at the most. Using your own criteria (power draw, performance and price) I think it is the clear winner.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: solog

Originally posted by: aigomorla

inside a cabnet?

And what do you think TDP means?
And your forgetting the cool and quiet feature on that AMD.
Which would own even more on that 45W.

:T

Anything else?

Inside a cabinet? Sure, why not. Of course it will get a lot warmer than if it had a lot of empty space around it, but that applies to both cpus. Some people on this forum might be upset with the temps but there should be no problems unless you were to do something silly like tape over all the vents/exhausts. Now if we were talking about one of the 125W TDP rated cpus then thats a different story.

I thought TDP stood for thermal design power. Surely, you are not about to argue that all those cpus I listed above will use 65 watts?

Now I made the claim that the difference between the cpus that you and I listed was about 5 watts at peak. Newegg says the 4600+ Brisbane core uses 1.325/1.35/1.375V and the 4450e uses 1.15/1.20/1.25V (there were no voltage listings for either but I took those of a 4800+ Brisbane and the 4850e which I believe should be the same, please correct me if I'm wrong). We already know there is a 100MHz difference. If you have any info that my 5 watt estimate is incorrect, please post it.

I did not forget about the Cool 'n Quiet feature. Both cpus have it.

So there you have it. You will pay almost 40% more to get a cpu that runs 100MHz slower, runs your PC6400 ram slower than spec (unless you increase the bus speed) and saves 5 watts per hour at the most. Using your own criteria (power draw, performance and price) I think it is the clear winner.

take either or.

However i have got to play with these low voltage X2's and they do run uber cool and quiet.

He's building a HTPC. Well, the cabnet makes a lot of difference. The voltages you listed also make up a lot of difference.

I picked the slower processor because 2.9ghz will run hotter then 2.4ghz. There is no doubt about that. its small tho, your correct, however the voltage isnt.

1.2 v 1.3 there is a lot of heat difference when the cpu is loaded.

If a cable box can heat up a typical cabnet, how long do you think it would take a htpc to heat it up when its loaded?


However we should ask the OP Where he intends to place this machine. Inside a closet or some kind, or cabnet, or is it in the wide open? If thats the case, id say go with intel, and learn overclocking. Its not that hard, and you can get more for your buck that way. A LOT MORE.

IF your looking for a NAS and a HTPC, id say go with the lowest power draw, and the coolest running.

IF you factor in overclocking, we need to start all over.

 

[kotrtim]

Voltage doesn't exactly represent power conumption, Intel Pentium/MMX or Older K6 requires much higher voltage (2V+)?, but these processors are not power hungry. The process to fab these processors might be slightly tweaked. 5600+ is the highest end of 65W CPU, so it must be 65W. The power of 45W TDP CPU might be even lower than 45W. 20W does make a difference in electricity bill if the PC is to run 24/7.

 

[stardreamer77]

thanks for all the input...
i use this pc to BT for 24/7 , and some HD movie remux... so will go for 780G or 8200 with X2 4850E... thanks...

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: stardreamer77
thanks for all the input...
i use this pc to BT for 24/7 , and some HD movie remux... so will go for 780G or 8200 with X2 4850E... thanks...

very awesome choice!

good luck on that build!

 

[ShockwaveVT]

Personally I went with Intel when building my HTPC.

Of course I already had an Intel motherboard sitting idle, along with the RAM & GPU from my old desktop. So for me to go AMD (CPU+Mobo) would have doubled my costs

If I ever transition the HTPC from the mid-tower in the corner to a microATX, reciever style setup, 780G here I come.

 

[aigomorla]

ROFL....

Hey you guys wanna see my BT / NAS server i have? Might scare you and make you say WTF tho.

 

[iooiioio]

Get the 8200, most of the boards support 8 channel audio through the HDMI : a lot of 780G boards were too ahead of the curve.