Intel "Devil's Canyon" on June 2nd - Any Takers?

[B-Riz]

Rumor has it below:

http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014042101_Intel_Devil_s_Canyon_unlocked_CPUs_to_launch_on_June_2.html

I kinda got the itch for an upgrade, as long as it O/C's slightly better than the i7 4770k

i7 4790K is also the first 4 GHz 22 nm desktop CPU release:

http://wccftech.com/intel-devil-s-canyon-launching-june-2014/

I feel this is what Haswell should have been...

 

[R0H1T]

Rumor has it below:

http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/...Canyon_unlocked_CPUs_to_launch_on_June_2.html

I kinda got the itch for an upgrade, as long as it O/C's slightly better than the i7 4770k

i7 4790K is also the first 4 GHz 22 nm desktop CPU release:

http://wccftech.com/intel-devil-s-canyon-launching-june-2014/

I feel this is what Haswell should have been...

Nah that;s what Intel usually does to milk it's loyal users, I mean seriously better TIM that's it gimme a break, nb4 the usual crusade against AMD begins

Thread crapping on the very first response? Really? :|
-ViRGE

 

[B-Riz]

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Just curious who else is *maybe* on the fence about Devil's Canyon if they have the itch to upgrade; it has some nice features paired with Z97 and feels like a better successor to Sandy Bridge than the last two Intel CPU releases...

 

[R0H1T]

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Just curious who else is *maybe* on the fence about Devil's Canyon if they have the itch to upgrade; it has some nice features paired with Z97 and feels like a better successor to Sandy Bridge than the last two Intel CPU releases...

I'm mildly interested in that unlocked Pentium, to complement the one I have at home, provided it works with a Z97 (or H97 if we're lucky a second time) as that'll give it a gen or 2 of possible upgrades in the future or till the time DDR4 makes it to mainstream Desktop mobos for Intel.

 

[rtsurfer]

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Now to the topic at hand.
Anyone who has Haswell would be stupid to buy this.

 

[B-Riz]

I'm mildly interested in that unlocked Pentium, to complement the one I have at home, provided it works with a Z97 (or H97 if we're lucky a second time) as that'll give it a gen or 2 of possible upgrades in the future or till the time DDR4 makes it to mainstream Desktop mobos for Intel.

I think we are out in the cold on H97 O/C, hopefully there will be budget Z97 from the usually mfgs. See link below:

Unless Z87 boards are updated for Pentium K.

http://www.tweaktown.com/image.php?image=http://imagescdn.tweaktown.com/news/3/6/36630_2_intel_finalized_specifications_for_9_series_chipset_full.jpg

After getting burned on the price premium of DDR3 for X58; I have little desire to go X99.

And the year to year and a half it takes for DDR4 to match speeds (if the DDR to DDR2 transition holds true this time also), new mainstream stuff will be out that may make the X99 upgrade kinda meh (Broadwell or Skylake?).

Who knows, maybe we will have some competition in the next year that gives us an alternative to the X99 platform; that would make things interesting.

 

[B-Riz]

Thanks for the link.
Really gives us insight into some people's head.

Gives an idea of the kind of fear they live in.

Now to the topic at hand.
Anyone who has Haswell would be stupid to buy this.

The only reason is if you are an enthusiast who wants to O/C.

If O/C is no biggie, than no real reason to bother with selling a board and CPU and getting new ones.

I bet quite a few people are going to get a Pentium K and a fancy board that costs more than the CPU to O/C the heck out of it...

 

[Mand]

Anyone who has Haswell would be stupid to buy this.

But as someone with an i7-860, it's certainly looking like a nice time to upgrade. I'm just torn between this and -E.

 

[biostud]

But as someone with an i7-860, it's certainly looking like a nice time to upgrade. I'm just torn between this and -E.

Same here, but I can hold out to the x99 launch

 

[rtsurfer]

The only reason is if you are an enthusiast who wants to O/C.

If O/C is no biggie, than no real reason to bother with selling a board and CPU and getting new ones.

I bet quite a few people are going to get a Pentium K and a fancy board that costs more than the CPU to O/C the heck out of it...

I do like to overclock.
But unless proven, I don't think this CPU is going to OC better than the regular Haswells.
Intel is just trying to milk the cow.
I already have my 4770K at 4.6Ghz on a closed loop cooler.

If this alleged refresh can do better then we'll see.

But as someone with an i7-860, it's certainly looking like a nice time to upgrade. I'm just torn between this and -E.

I am craving Haswell-E so bad.
Let's see how it turns out.

I will have to sell my whole rig except my GPU, if I decided to go Haswell-E.
So I am a bit hesitant at the moment.

 

[B-Riz]

I do like to overclock.
But unless proven, I don't think this CPU is going to OC better than the regular Haswells.
Intel is just trying to milk the cow.
I already have my 4770K at 4.6Ghz on a closed loop cooler.

If this alleged refresh can do better then we'll see.

The 4970 K is getting released at 4.0 GHz stock clock and I think they have learned and made process improvements that *could* let these chips hit 4.9 maybe 5.0.

For whatever reason, the forum enthusiasts that de-lidded and tested multiple thermal pastes, pressure mounting levels, etc. have lit a fire under Intel and they have responded with this: I believe these could be Sandy Bridge legendary for the O/C crowd.

 

[escrow4]

The 4970 K is getting released at 4.0 GHz stock clock and I think they have learned and made process improvements that *could* let these chips hit 4.9 maybe 5.0.

For whatever reason, the forum enthusiasts that de-lidded and tested multiple thermal pastes, pressure mounting levels, etc. have lit a fire under Intel and they have responded with this: I believe these could be Sandy Bridge legendary for the O/C crowd.

Source? The non K 4970 is 3.6GHz and boosts to 4.0GHz. I don't see any mention of a K chip running at 4.0GHz stock native out of the box . . . .

 

[B-Riz]

Source? The non K 4970 is 3.6GHz and boosts to 4.0GHz. I don't see any mention of a K chip running at 4.0GHz stock native out of the box . . . .

See my first post; and second hyper link.

First post is also disclaimed as tentative rumor, but I think it is 99.9% legit.

 

[cytg111]

For whatever reason, the forum enthusiasts that de-lidded and tested multiple thermal pastes, pressure mounting levels, etc. have lit a fire under Intel and they have responded with this: I believe these could be Sandy Bridge legendary for the O/C crowd.

And delidding got them what? 200 max 300mhz more on the top? Hardly numbers of legends.

 

[moonbogg]

No a chance. That's great if they OC well, but once you go past 4 cores you don't want to go back. At least I don't.

 

[B-Riz]

And delidding got them what? 200 max 300mhz more on the top? Hardly numbers of legends.

But, it seems to have influenced Intel to some degree, hence Devil's Canyon and my thought that Devil's Canyon could be a Sandy Bridge redux.

 

[cytg111]

But as someone with an i7-860, it's certainly looking like a nice time to upgrade. I'm just torn between this and -E.

If money is not the object inbetween the actual usability of those 4 extra cores(going E means all out right? so no hex cores here), then the E should overclock about the same given somewhat better cooling, there is a thread on it some months back.

+quad channel DDR4? Nice right?

 

[cytg111]

But, it seems to have influenced Intel to some degree, hence Devil's Canyon and my thought that Devil's Canyon could be a Sandy Bridge redux.

Naah ... I think they realized that those stock haswells with stock coolers would THROTTLE under heavy AVX load .. and right now just crossing their fingers that a lawsuit is not incoming.. Dodging the bullet and all that.

edit : actually if I ever was to delid a haswell, this would be the reason.

 

[Galatian]

I think the timing is not good...seriously if I know that's not even half a year later Broadwell K is coming out, why would I go for
Haswell Refresh now?

 

[rtsurfer]

But, it seems to have influenced Intel to some degree, hence Devil's Canyon and my thought that Devil's Canyon could be a Sandy Bridge redux.

Don't get Intel wrong.
Devil's Canyon is not being released because Intel listened to enthusiasts.
It is being released because Intel needs to make money & their next generation core isn't ready yet.

If money is not the object inbetween the actual usability of those 4 extra cores(going E means all out right? so no hex cores here), then the E should overclock about the same given somewhat better cooling, there is a thread on it some months back.

+quad channel DDR4? Nice right?

I am not sure if I understand the intent behind your post correctly.

But E parts do overclock better than regular parts.
Getting a 4930K to 4.6 Ghz is really easy if you have proper cooling.
5 Ghz plus is also not that tough.

While you need a golden Haswell for 4.8Ghz.

 

[Ken g6]

But as someone with an i7-860, it's certainly looking like a nice time to upgrade. I'm just torn between this and -E.

Me too, except I'm all the way back on a Core 2 Quad. I'm tending toward this though because I think Haswell-E will require DDR4, and I expect that to be insanely expensive at first.

 

[Yuriman]

But E parts do overclock better than regular parts.
Getting a 4930K to 4.6 Ghz is really easy if you have proper cooling.
5 Ghz plus is also not that tough.

While you need a golden Haswell for 4.8Ghz.

That probably has more to do with the fact that the 4930K isn't a Haswell part than anything. Also, "5 Ghz is also not that tough" is suspect.

 

[cytg111]

I am not sure if I understand the intent behind your post correctly.

But E parts do overclock better than regular parts.
Getting a 4930K to 4.6 Ghz is really easy if you have proper cooling.
5 Ghz plus is also not that tough.

While you need a golden Haswell for 4.8Ghz.

1. Intent, I read his post as "jump a 4 core haswell now or wait for E", hence the mumbojumbo about usability of 4 extra cores.

2. As allready pointed out, not Haswell, and yes, soldered will problary give you 200-300 more Mhz .. How did regular IVB's top out-ish? I think we're in the ballpark. I think there's different oppinions on "not that tough" .
Say you got two chips, identical in every aspect except the number of cores, 4 vs 8. You'd expect the 8 core to produce about twice amout of heat right? Will surface area also scale? Even so, moving double the amount of heat/sec is no small feat of "proper cooling".

 

[rtsurfer]

That probably has more to do with the fact that the 4930K isn't a Haswell part than anything. Also, "5 Ghz is also not that tough" is suspect.

I know its Ivy. But still.
We'll know definitely when Haswell-E drops.

As for 5Ghz, that was a bit premature on my part.
I have done some more digging and it seems 4.7 ~ 4.8 is more common.
5 Ghz is achievable but not for everyone.
Still 6C/12T at 4.7 Ghz is still not shabby considering the extra cores & heat.
We'll see how Haswell-E does.

1. Intent, I read his post as "jump a 4 core haswell now or wait for E", hence the mumbojumbo about usability of 4 extra cores.

2. As allready pointed out, not Haswell, and yes, soldered will problary give you 200-300 more Mhz .. How did regular IVB's top out-ish? I think we're in the ballpark. I think there's different oppinions on "not that tough" .
Say you got two chips, identical in every aspect except the number of cores, 4 vs 8. You'd expect the 8 core to produce about twice amout of heat right? Will surface area also scale? Even so, moving double the amount of heat/sec is no small feat of "proper cooling".

Thanks for the clarification.
As for the heat & cooling.
Enthusiast grade CPU requires enthusiasts grade cooling.
AKA Custom loop & the guts to push more voltages.

 

[moonbogg]

5ghz is pretty rare for the hex cores. I'll probably go for the Haswell 6 core just for the IPC increase over my 3930K. All I do is game so spending the extra $500 for the 8 core doesn't sound like a good idea for me. In any case, all the interesting stuff won't really hit retail in decent quantity until the end of the damn year. Its going to be a long wait.