Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

[coercitiv]

If performance is bad then yes, Canon Lake redo.

The worst thing about Cannon was it only got to see the light of day to be called "real". I should have ended my previous post with a question mark though, as I still hope this product reaches the market in good condition.

Sapphire got me excited from the day I read about it's design. I want to see it work and I want an in-depth analysis of how they designed it and what engineering obstacles they had to overcome. I just fear I may get a postmortem instead, which prompted my Cannon Lake knee-jerk reaction.

 

[Exist50]

So Sapphire Rapids are estimated to ship in volumes in H2 2023 provided Intel don't encounter any last minute bugs. Way to go, Intel.

Where did that come from? They seem to have been shipping volume since the end of last year, aligning with a January launch / beginning of mainstream availability.

But look at this. Some mad lad was able to use two 5995WX on a 2S Motherboard(which is not really a surprise since The TR Pro are rebranded Milan parts)

That's really cool. Curious how they pulled it off. IIRC, der8auer did something similar, but wouldn't reveal his method. Must be a firmware hack or something.

 

[Hulk]

The worst thing about Cannon was it only got to see the light of day to be called "real". I should have ended my previous post with a question mark though, as I still hope this product reaches the market in good condition.

Sapphire got me excited from the day I read about it's design. I want to see it work and I want an in-depth analysis of how they designed it and what engineering obstacles they had to overcome. I just fear I may get a postmortem instead, which prompted my Cannon Lake knee-jerk reaction.

I agree. I'm not as concerned with possible low frequency issues, which was the big problem with Cannon Lake (immature 1st crack at 10nm for Intel), as with possible performances issues due to the tile design (ie core-to-core-to-caches communication). If IPC (throughput per cycle) is good then Intel can refine frequency and power moving forward. If IPC is bad then SR could be DOA. Like you I'm hoping for success for Intel as well as AMD with future designs.

 

[Exist50]

Also, not sure if this has been posted yet, but an actual SPR workstation mobo has been leaked. https://videocardz.com/newz/supermicro-next-gen-intel-w790-xeon-hedt-motherboard-pictured-up-close

Nothing particularly unexpected about it, but maybe provides some details about the chipset. "Up to 56 cores" seems to further confirm that 60c SPR is vaporware.

 

[nicalandia]

Also, not sure if this has been posted yet, but an actual SPR workstation mobo has been leaked. https://videocardz.com/newz/supermicro-next-gen-intel-w790-xeon-hedt-motherboard-pictured-up-close

Nothing particularly unexpected about it, but maybe provides some details about the chipset. "Up to 56 cores" seems to further confirm that 60c SPR is vaporware.

The motherboard listed is for Xeon W9 for workstations, there will be no 60 Core SKU for those, But the High Core count 8490H is very much real

 

[Exist50]

But the High Core count 8490H is very much real

It's a real SKU, in that it shows up in lists, and maybe you'll even be able to buy one, but that doesn't say anything about its actual volume. Probably a very similar story to the "KS" chips. It exists to help top bin benchmark comparisons, but no one buying servers actually cares about those.

 

[ashFTW]

Launch Event for 4th Gen Intel Xeon Scalable Sapphire Rapids Scheduled

As a quick reminder the 4th Gen Intel Xeon Scalable, codenamed "Sapphire Rapids", and Xeon Max launch is set for January

www.servethehome.com

“Our expectation is that Sapphire Rapids will have more availability around launch than we have seen from Genoa up to this point.”

Another data point from someone who has insider knowledge.

 

[nicalandia]

Launch Event for 4th Gen Intel Xeon Scalable Sapphire Rapids Scheduled

As a quick reminder the 4th Gen Intel Xeon Scalable, codenamed "Sapphire Rapids", and Xeon Max launch is set for January

www.servethehome.com

“Our expectation is that Sapphire Rapids will have more availability around launch than we have seen from Genoa up to this point.”

Another data point from someone who has insider knowledge.

That article is kinda funny, they say they feel the Sapphire Rapids system feel more mature... You would expect that a 2020 product feels mature on 2023 right?

 

[nicalandia]

Some more info about The Xeon W9

 

[Exist50]

Some more info about The Xeon W9

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Link to tweet.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1609920554697658369

Posting "link to tweet" is not personal commentary.


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[DrMrLordX]

the new Cannon Lake

Eh probably more like Ice Lake-SP: the sequel.

 

[Markfw]

Link to tweet.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1609920554697658369

Any benchmarks against the 5995wx ? That is 280 watts for 64 cores instead of 350 watts for 56 cores, and thats not real usage watts, just ratings. And Zen 4 workstation is coming. All this tells us is that "something is coming". And we know GHZ means almost nothing.

 

[nicalandia]

Any benchmarks against the 5995wx?

There are basically no leaked benchmarks for the W9 3495X, I have search the entire web and found no data on them.

 

[Markfw]

There are basically no leaked benchmarks for the W9 3495X, I have search the entire web and found no data on them.

See, this is what is so annoying with this kind of twitter post. Its like advertising, but no useful information. No price, no release date, no benchmarks.

 

[nicalandia]

See, this is what is so annoying with this kind of twitter post. Its like advertising, but no useful information. No price, no release date, no benchmarks.

There has got to be very few of them on the wild, there have been no Geekbench entry yet and we have been having Sapphire Rapids for servers leaks and data for a good while now. I just think Intel is not prioritizing them due to the already delayed nature of their main Xeon Platinum SKUs

 

[ashFTW]

That article is kinda funny, they say they feel the Sapphire Rapids system feel more mature... You would expect that a 2020 product feels mature on 2023 right?

I don’t know what you are talking about? I searched the article for “mature” and didn’t find any occurrence. Want to quote?

 

[lopri]

Intel May Cancel Meteor Lake Desktop CPUs in Favor of Raptor Lake Refresh

Intel might end up releasing Meteor Lake on mobile only, opting instead for a Raptor Lake refresh for the desktop in 2023.

www.extremetech.com

Put another way, Intel is supposed to be launching its first tile-based CPU next year, aka Meteor Lake. This is the company’s first disaggregated CPU, with different tiles built on differing processes. The CPU tile is supposed to be the result of a node jump, going from Intel 7 (10nm) to Intel 4 (7nm). It’s a watershed product for the company as it transitions away from monolithic and hybrid designs to tiles. However, though Meteor Lake has already been delayed many times, it’s now rumored to be cancelled. At least, the desktop parts are believed to be on the chopping block. Therefore, it might still launch at some point, but only for mobile.

This could actually be a good news for a new Raptor Lake buyers in that they have an upgrade to look forward to. Raptor Lake might turn out to be a bargain for years to come. (Seriously Intel has never been this generous)

 

[coercitiv]

I don’t know what you are talking about? I searched the article for “mature” and didn’t find any occurrence. Want to quote?

I assume it was the last sentence that peaked his interest:

Our expectation is that Sapphire Rapids will have more availability around launch than we have seen from Genoa up to this point.

 

[BorisTheBlade82]

I don’t know what you are talking about? I searched the article for “mature” and didn’t find any occurrence. Want to quote?

Maybe he confused the articles.
In the one I linked there is this phrase:

From a platform maturity perspective and from the systems we have seen, it actually feels like SPR platforms are more mature at this point, just waiting on chips.

Launches and Mirrors AMD EPYC Genoa and Intel Xeon Sapphire Rapids

AMD EPYC Genoa launches on 2022-11-10 and Intel Xeon Sapphire Rapids on 2023-01-10. The definition of launch, however, is fairly fluid

www.servethehome.com

 

[nicalandia]

Maybe he confused the articles.
In the one I linked there is this phrase:

Launches and Mirrors AMD EPYC Genoa and Intel Xeon Sapphire Rapids

AMD EPYC Genoa launches on 2022-11-10 and Intel Xeon Sapphire Rapids on 2023-01-10. The definition of launch, however, is fairly fluid

www.servethehome.com

I was specifically referring to the article you posted...

 

[jpiniero]

Intel is raising prices decently with the "Raptor" Lake locked parts... the 13400 is $221 versus $192 for the 12400.

 

[Glo.]

Intel is raising prices decently with the "Raptor" Lake locked parts... the 13400 is $221 versus $192 for the 12400.

Inflation, and last year they did announced that they will increase prices for their CPUs.

 

[jpiniero]

Inflation, and last year they did announced that they will increase prices for their CPUs.

They apparently have also raised Alder Lake's prices too. The RCP for the 12400 is now $221 as well.

 

[ashFTW]

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[mderbarimdiger]

Also, not sure if this has been posted yet, but an actual SPR workstation mobo has been leaked. https://videocardz.com/newz/supermicro-next-gen-intel-w790-xeon-hedt-motherboard-pictured-up-close

Nothing particularly unexpected about it, but maybe provides some details about the chipset. "Up to 56 cores" seems to further confirm that 60c SPR is vaporware.

STH states they tested a 60 Core SPR chip, but its possible they just used the advertised name/core count for this chip.

Hands-on Benchmarking with Intel Sapphire Rapids Xeon Accelerators

We get hands-on with the 4th Gen Intel Xeon Scalable "Sapphire Rapids" and show some accelerator performance and discuss the future landscape

www.servethehome.com