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As per Intels Q4 Earnings call Alderlake Mobile and Desktop will qualify in production in H2'21 - Sapphire Rapids will qualify for production by EOY.
Sorry guys. I got a little lazy with my reading.It's CPU package power, why do you think some of us were giving Intel the full flak treatment for?
You are not the type of user who will have any problem keeping power usage under control. It's just a matter of entering BIOS and changing a few power settings to ensure the motherboard adheres to stock TDP or whatever power usage profile you want.
And just so it's perfectly clear: this is an issue related to stock motherboard settings, not stock CPU settings. Here's 4 different Z490 mITX boards running the same 10900K:
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Two of them obey the stock Intel spec of 125W PL1 and limited time 225W PL2, while the other two don't give a flying flak about any of it and go full throttle.
Using RKL S with a 400W power supply (of great quality such as that Seasonic) is perfectly doable as long as you set both PL1 and PL2 to values that make sense. In the case of your system, if you're no using a dGPU, you'll just limit power to keep thermals in check. Something like 125W PL1 and 150W PL2 with a 30-60 second window should be just fine. (if you're using a smaller air cooler than just go 25W-35W lower on both settings)
If keeping your slient PSU and having a silent machine in general is your main goal, then IMO it makes very little sense to go to Rocket Lake vs Zen 3.Sorry guys. I got a little lazy with my reading.
@coercitiv,
As always thanks for the information. I like my super quiet PC. When I move to the new components I'm going to go with a nice Noctua cooler. I don't mind if the fan spikes up a bit during heavy workloads. My old Seasonic might get a little workout now and then but as you said it should be fine and I can adjust the settings to my liking as far as noise and thermals.
Yeah well, Ice Lake has been sampling for what, more than a year now? Yet there's still no product on the market. Might not be the best time to brag about Sapphire Rapids already. Then again, it's Intelnwe're talking about, so just add anywhere between 4-8 quarters to what they're saying and you know what to expect.As per Intels Q4 Earnings call Alderlake Mobile and Desktop will qualify in production in H2'21 - Sapphire Rapids will qualify for production by EOY.
There is a 10 core die and a 6 core die.How many die sizes of desktop Comet Lake are there? How many cores do they have?
Thanks for the advice. Yes, I've been running this through my head.If keeping your slient PSU and having a silent machine in general is your main goal, then IMO it makes very little sense to go to Rocket Lake vs Zen 3.
If you'd rather buy Intel, I'd strongly suggest to wait for Alder Lake.
Why?
- We know the PL2 and PL1 targets of Rocket Lake chips (same as Comet Lake)
- We know the performance of RL based on leaks quite well (at least with 90% accuracy).
- Based on these: power efficiency is the only thing where (the otherwise very competitive) Rocket Lake will flat out two times worse than the competition (+- 10%)
AMD's "65W" TDP chips at stock, never-ever draw more than 88W (not in any torture test, not under any power-virus, never)
Likewise AMD's "105W" TDP chips @ stock never-ever draw more than 140W.
(btw that's TDP is easily configurable in bios, should you want less)
This is easily visible in their reviews in graphs for Peak Power:
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And that means that every stock benchmark you see in the wild has AMD with those power limits in place, while Intel goes up to ~215W (for 8 cores) or ~265W (for 10 cores) even on their "65W" parts. Indefinitely on most boards.
Bottom line:
In any silent rig where you're able to run a 8-core "65W" Rocket Lake, you'll be able to comfortably run a 16-core "105W" 5950X, while taking less power. That in any part of the voltage curve, under any BIOS-enforced TDP limit or undervolting setup.
TL;DR:
If you want to keep your PSU, I'd heavily recommend you to not get 8-core Rocket Lake. Rather:
If none of these opitons works for you and you're hell bent on getting RL - replace the PSU.
- Wait for Alder lake
- Buy Zen 3 (with 2x the cores for any given power-budget)
- Buy a 6-core Rocket Lake (which will draw the same as 12-16 core Zen 3)
It says "unveil" though. Real availability could be later.![]()
Intel rumored to announce 12th Gen Core Alder Lake-S in September - VideoCardz.com
Intel Alder Lake-S in September According to a tweet from Uniko’s Hardware, Intel is now expected to unveil its Alder Lake-S series in September. Intel 11th Gen Core series aka Rocket Lake-S are now expected to debut in March this year. Just six months later, Intel could be showing its Alder...videocardz.com
Apparently ADL-S is scheduled for September and my guess is ADL-P in October-November.
Sadly. With Intel I'm kind of getting to the point of 'wake me up in two years' and I'll see what's what.Yeah well, Ice Lake has been sampling for what, more than a year now? Yet there's still no product on the market. Might not be the best time to brag about Sapphire Rapids already. Then again, it's Intel we're talking about, so just add anywhere between 4-8 quarters to what they're saying and you know what to expect.
I wouldn't hold much stock in this rumour.![]()
Intel rumored to announce 12th Gen Core Alder Lake-S in September - VideoCardz.com
Intel Alder Lake-S in September According to a tweet from Uniko’s Hardware, Intel is now expected to unveil its Alder Lake-S series in September. Intel 11th Gen Core series aka Rocket Lake-S are now expected to debut in March this year. Just six months later, Intel could be showing its Alder...videocardz.com
Apparently ADL-S is scheduled for September and my guess is ADL-P in October-November.
Intel usually formally announces (ie: specs and model numbers) when they start shipping to OEMs. It takes the OEMs a month or two from that point to get the computers built and shipped so that's kinda where the lag is. DIY can be quicker than this but still quite a bit of time, Comet Lake was three weeks from the announcement to when reviews were.I wouldn't be surprised. They don't really seem to ship products in quantity near their announcements (anymore? I can't remember if it was always like this).
Original source didn't say unveil.It says "unveil" though. Real availability could be later.
The same record has been played here a year ago. Back then you guys couls have sworn that RKL comes not even half a year after CML. It's just silly.![]()
Intel rumored to announce 12th Gen Core Alder Lake-S in September - VideoCardz.com
Intel Alder Lake-S in September According to a tweet from Uniko’s Hardware, Intel is now expected to unveil its Alder Lake-S series in September. Intel 11th Gen Core series aka Rocket Lake-S are now expected to debut in March this year. Just six months later, Intel could be showing its Alder...videocardz.com
Apparently ADL-S is scheduled for September and my guess is ADL-P in October-November.
You will be wrong most likely, they confirmed some days ago volume ramp will start in H2 2021. Also it's a desktop release initially this time and not mobile only which will accelerate it, a standalone CPU release has a faster market ramp. To me it sounds like you and other people are really hoping it will be delayed because in hope for a better AMD. Intel is the first with DDR5 and PCIe5 and the IPC crown will go back to Intel as well most likely, no new core for AMD this year on the other side. AMD supporters desperately hoping for ADL-S delays therefore. Not long ago many of these people called 10nm desktop dead and 10nm never will clock high and things like that.I'm guessing Intel will announce, quick preview Alder Lake in the fall and actually release March of 2022.
The market would be better off if Intel could deliver a competitive product in a timely fashion. You can't honestly tell me you believe everything Intel says though, can you? They haven't even announced SKUs for 8c Tiger Lake-H yet, and you honestly think that Intel's "volume ramp" in "H2 2021" means something like July or August?AMD supporters desperately hoping
You are correct but this is nothing some fans are hoping for. I mean many of them are so deluded they don't buy Intel products because it's Intel the "evil company", you cannot expect from them to cheer for Intel, they are in hope for more delays.The market would be better off if Intel could deliver a competitive product in a timely fashion.
10nm desktop is still dead ATM. Obviously, Intel is having trouble getting good yields even on Tigerlake mobile (it appears Tigerlake desktop is a no go). From the Analyst call transcript on AT, it looks like Intel is finally getting the cost of producing 10nm down. It was killing their margins. They put in a huge and expensive engineering effort the past couple of years to get 10nm to a real HVM level. Likely, they are yielding better an throwing fewer dice into the trash bin saving money their as well. I suspect that a lot of chips were junk because they couldn't hit target frequencies. if Intel isn't playing a bit fast and loose with their info, AdlerLake be a solid desktop CPU, even though the big.little approach is more optimal for mobile. At least ADL-S looks poised to beat Zen4 to the market.Not long ago many of these people called 10nm desktop dead and 10nm never will clock high and things like that.