- Aug 7, 2019
Let me rephrase.Is this a topic about Intel future CPUs and uArchs? Your comment is utterly confusing.
You do understand that Intel will cut prices if they have to?Let me rephrase.
The pricing is bad. Horrendous even. Zen 3 launches about 1.5Q after Comet Lake, and literally walks all over this in every metric. All of them. Even against Zen 2, you'll need a Z490 mobo for any kind of overclocking (vs B450), and 3rd Gen Ryzen is already in the middle of AMD's price cut tradition in the major markets like the EU and US.
That's not competitive, and I'm actually kind of disappointed instead.
I dont think they have to as their profit already is everywhere else, but anyways in half a year a 3800x is probably selling for 140usd and a 3600 for 100usd.
We already know though: take 8700K data, lower scores by 7-10% depending on how multi-threaded the load is.It would be nice to see how Intel Core i5 10400F compares to Ryzen 5 3600.
They did just that with Comet Lake-S, or precise this is still Skylake CPU+again new socket on 14nm++++++=this is much to late/lower prices competition only for Ryzen 3000 series.
Given the shortage, I doubt Intel is going to be very interested in cutting prices on client as of yet, to retail anyway.The pricing is bad. Horrendous even. Zen 3 launches about 1.5Q after Comet Lake, and literally walks all over this in every metric. All of them.
150 mm2 is already far too big for 10 nm as it is... Adding another 4 cores would make it too much. They'd have to cut the IGP, which they could do, but I'm not really sure they want to spend the engineering effort on that.
Not sure why would that be so difficult. They probably won't be designing entire Tiger Lake lineup deriving from Tiger Lake-U. They can also move the entire IGP on different chiplet.150 mm2 is already far too big for 10 nm as it is... Adding another 4 cores would make it too much. They'd have to cut the IGP, which they could do, but I'm not really sure they want to spend the engineering effort on that.
That's if its real and not something that'll never see the light of day. I think same was shown for CPUs like Icelake and Cannonlake S and where are they now?As for Tiger-H, perhaps it's just a 35 W version of either Tiger-U or Rocket-U.
They certainly can cut the iGPU. The architecture is made for scalability. Though 40mm2 isn't a big deal, if a 32EU version allows them to put in 2-4 more cores, they might do it. They have an incentive to do so as AMD is introducing higher TDP chips with reduced graphics.They'd have to cut the IGP, which they could do, but I'm not really sure they want to spend the engineering effort on that.
1. Already available to buy in Germany.This is a lie, Icelake is easily available if you want one....unlike the paper launched Renoir, zero devices available. It's fine in the case of Renoir which isn't available but not for Icelake which is available, this speaks for itself. Tigerlake in or or two years is another dumb lie, you really have to try better, otherwise you can't be serious.
Because Renoir won't be able to match Intel in singlethread against Tigerlake, that's why it annoys you. Same with the GPU, AMD falls behind Intel and suddenly it's not relevant anymore.
I'd say 8 cores max. 8 cores alone would push the die size up to 200mm^2, unless they cut out some of the bloat like Thundebolt 4 or the IPU. And this is accounting for a trimmed down iGPU.
They could if Intel refuse to drop their own - they'd have every right to provided they still improve price/performance year on year. But I don't think they will. Not this year anyway. Next year and beyond however, all bets are off.AMD is probably going to raise prices with Zen 3.
Well, presumably Rocket is basically Tiger Lake but 14 nm and using chiplets. From a reducing the 14 nm shortage perspective, releasing Tiger Lake makes sense.But I still have doubts whether TGL-U is going to be in an actual product, especially with Rocketlake-U in existence.
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