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Intel CPU RMAs. Constant blue screens with Northwood Pentium 4s

Link19

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I have always had problems with Intel Northwood Pentium 4 3GHz CPUs. It seems that whenever I use one with hyper threading, eventually I run into occasional BSODs. On a Prime95 FPU test, it eventually fails with a rounding error. I know for sure the CPU is the culprit because I have swapped out that CPU with a Pentium 4 2.4GHz 533MHz FSB CPU, and Prime95 FPU test runs perfectly for over 24 hours without any errors.

It seems I am having trouble with the CPUs I have recieved from Intel RMA as well. I have had to RMA my CPU for the third time, and I am still getting BSODs with the new one I recieved as well. I always have confimred it is the CPU by swapping it with another one. Are the RMA'd CPUs I have recieved from Intel likely a bad batch. I remember reading somewhere that there were known problems with the early batch of Pentium 4 CPUs with HT and the 800MHz FSB. That is what lead me to RMA the first one I had about a year ago. The 2nd one I received worked just great for 6 months until it started having the same problems as well. The third one I recieved after I RMA's the 2nd one had severe problems. The system took like 20 minutes to boot into Windows and when it finally did, it took like 10 seconds to load Task Manager, and it spiked at 88% CPU usage every 15 seconds without me having to do anything. Again, I know for sure it was the CPU because I swapped it out with the 2.4GHz P4, and the problems immediately went away. I had to RMA that one back for the 4th CPU. The 4th one I received seemed to work fine for about a month, and now it is getting BSODs. Prime95 FPU test passed perfectly about one month ago. Now, it fails wth a rounding error after I tried testing it again because of the BSODs.

It has been extremely frusterating for me with what has happened. Every single Pentium 4 3GHz 800MHz FSB Northwood CPU has always appeared to tbe the culprit to my system failures. I have tried so many different things to try and track down other possible hardware failures, but to no avail. It seems every CPU I have recieved from Intel RMA is also slightly defective as well. Is this typical from Intel RMA that they send you the original CPUs produced in left over stock that haven't been opened yet. If that's the case, chances are that I'm receiving one of the first produced 3GHz 800MHz FSB P4 Northwood core CPUs that may have that early known defect I once read about.

I am so frusterated, I plan to just buy another socket 478 CPU. Any recommendations on how I can ensure I buy one that was made more recently and thus less likely to have these problems? What about going with a socket 478 Prescott CPU? Are they any better?

Once again, I have confirmed it is for sure the CPU. I have ran MemTest 3.2 many times for hours with all passes and no errors. So I know memory isn't the problem. I also measured the +12V and +5V voltage rails of my PSU with a Digital Multi Meter and they were almost exactly +12V and +5V respectively. So does that say for sure that my PSU is not the problem??

Any help greatly appreciated regarding Intel Northwood Pentium 4 3GHz 800MHz FSB CPUs because I am extremely frusterated at the problems I have had with them, while knowing just about for sure that the rest of my hardware is completely stable and working perfectly. I am probably one of the only few who has had problems strictly with a faulty CPU combined with my hardware this many times.
 
Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
What motherboard are you using? Perhaps the motherboard is having capacitor problems with the faster Northwood. Have you tried a faster cpu to see if the problems also occur?


I'm using an ABIT IC7-G motherboard. Could I be having capacitor probelms with this motherboard in dealing with the faster CPU? I know this is supposed to be a great overclocking motherboard, so I would think that the capacitors would be of extreme high quality to handle really fast CPUs.

I have tried overclocking a 3GHz Northwood to 3.75GHz, and it ran perfectly stable for a long time when under intensive workloads. Never had any problems with it. Until, the CPU eventually started to show stability issues and then I RMA'd it. The CPU nor any temperature of any device was ever too hot when I had it overclocked and it ran Prime95 and MPrime perfectly for 24 hours without any errors. So this motherboard has shown the ability to have great stability with high speed CPUs. It just doesn't seem to last with the current CPUs I have used. But when I replace the CPU, the problem seems to be fixed until it comes back again.

The current Northwood I am having problems with, I just had overclocked to 3.75GHz. Everything was perfectly stable for about a month and it never had any overheating. MPrime from the Ultimate Boot CD ran for over 24 hours without any errors when it was overclocked to 3.75GHz on a VCORE of 1.625. The CPU temperature under load was about 57C. And you can take away 8-10C because ABIT motherboards read the temperature 8-10C too high, so about 50C under load. Everything was perfect for about a month with the CPU overclocked to 3.75GHz. All of a sudden, I started to get some BSODs. I tried returning the CPU speed back to it's stock speed, but that didn't help and it only seemed to have made the problem worse. I mean as long as the CPU doesn't overheat, it can't be harmed by overclokcing right? And why would the problem only get worse when returning the CPU to stock speed? Never the less, it seems I am having serious hard to track small stability problems with Pentium 4 Northwood CPUs.
 
Contrary to popular belief it isn't just heat that kills a processor but the voltage. Is the 1.625 normal for the Northwood or have you greatly increased the voltage? I have an AMD X2 and haven't had an Intel machine in awhile so I am unsure about their voltages. You can definitely cause damage to a cpu when overclocking even if the temperature is low enough if the voltage is too much for the motherboard or cpu or combination thereof. What is the nominal voltage of the Northwood?

Edit: Of course I meant the increased voltage when you overclocked and/or did you bring the voltage back down when you returned the cpu to normal frequency.
 
Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
Contrary to popular belief it isn't just heat that kills a processor but the voltage. Is the 1.625 normal for the Northwood or have you greatly increased the voltage? I have an AMD X2 and haven't had an Intel machine in awhile so I am unsure about their voltages. You can definitely cause damage to a cpu when overclocking even if the temperature is low enough if the voltage is too much for the motherboard or cpu or combination thereof. What is the nominal voltage of the Northwood?

Edit: Of course I meant the increased voltage when you overclocked and/or did you bring the voltage back down when you returned the cpu to normal frequency.


I think the stock voltage for the Northwood is 1.55V. So I didn't increase it that much. Is it very common to have a partially damaged CPU and for your system to still boot and function fine at times while also having software errors and BSODs? Or will even a slightly damaged CPU make the system unable to even successfully display something on screen when powered on?
 
PSUs can act-up and cause serious voltage flucuations that are hard to detect.

If you have a spare PSU, you might consider swapping out your present one and
testing again.


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