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Intel comments on Opteron

NFS4

NFS4

No Lifer
It's not very often that I hear Intel comment at all on a competitor...let alone a competitor's product...

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1051389612222
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Apr/bch20030430019804.htm


[Opteron] has yet to be truly evaluated and there is a lack of all the software and tools that are needed to support a new microprocessor.
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We have done all the heavy lifting. We now have the software, the tools, the chipsets and the validation. Opteron has none of that. Itanium is ready to take off.
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Hasn't Itanium been "ready to take off" for years now?
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Your post of news made me vommit my lunch.
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In all honesty, the quotes above are nothing more than the competition just boosting noise. Did anyone actually think Intel were going to say "Yes, Opteron is a fantastic processor." ?
 
Vomit your lunch? Puhlease.

My point was that Intel never comments on AMD's products or AMD as a company. I was just intrigued that they would start now.

They typically have a "no comment" policy when it comes to competitors
 
Of course intel isn't going to say. "Oh dammnit AMD has spanked us with the Opteron."

Just ask wingznut. lol

Seriously they have a point, there is no 64bit software to run as of now, and Opteron is not a proven platform, nor has the Server market that Intel has as of right now. That could change, but Opteron and AMD have alot of work to do.
 
Of course intel isn't going to say. "Oh dammnit AMD has spanked us with the Opteron."
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That's not the point. I was expecting them to say NOTHING! 😀 Their normal company line is:

"We don't comment on competitors' products"

I was just wondering what makes the Opteron any different in regards to that typical canned response?
 
Originally posted by: NFS4
Of course intel isn't going to say. "Oh dammnit AMD has spanked us with the Opteron."
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That's not the point. I was expecting them to say NOTHING! 😀 There normal company line is:

"We don't comment on competitor products"

I was just wondering what makes the Opteron any different in regards to that typical canned response?
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Maybe Opteron put the F33R in Intel? I dunno. Normally they wouldn't say anything. All I can think to say is bring on my NF3 board, and Opteron! I can't wait for that upgrade this fall hopefully!
Maybe Wingznut can shed some light on that for us?
 
You've got to be kidding if you think there is any fear in Intel over the Opteron. Even if AMD had the greatest CPU around they don't have the production capacity to even put a dent in Intel's output. Why do people keep bringing up Itanium II when talking about Opteron when they aren't competing products? Even AMD admits the Opteron is designed for the lowend to midrange server market which is where the Xeon resides. The Itanium may not be setting the world ablaze, but the Xeon is doing very well and just releasing the Opteron isn't going to hand the market to AMD.
 
I have my doubts that these are official Intel statements...

First off, geek.com is about as reliable as theinquirer... And probably worse, when it comes to Intel. Those guys (guy?) dislikes Intel a great deal, and is anything but an unbias journalist.

Second, who said these statements? All they say is "Intel said...", which is very ambiguous to say the least. I've never seen someone at Intel quoted by a reputable writer, without stating a source.

Third, I have a hard time believing that a knowledgable source at Intel would compare Opteron vs Itanium 2. As Pariah pointed out, they are very different markets.

Take it with a huge grain of salt, people.
Originally posted by: Pariah
You've got to be kidding if you think there is any fear in Intel over the Opteron. Even if AMD had the greatest CPU around they don't have the production capacity to even put a dent in Intel's output.
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"Fear" is probably not the right word here... But of course Intel is concerned with the competition. As far as I know, they aren't arrogant enough to sit around and think that a competitor or its product is insignificant. It's not like AMD doesn't know their @ss from a hole in the ground. They have some extremely talented people over there, and they make good products, no doubt about it. (Not as good as Intel, of course, but I digress... 😉 )

It only takes a few mistakes to turn everything around... Just ask 3dfx.

 
Intel is always nervous. Andy Grove himself said "only the paranoid survive".

Intel uses strong arm tactics to intimidate their customers. Then again, they do foot the bill for some of their customers advertising so that gives them leverage.

The most disillusioning thing now is that the insiders continue to lavish themselves with stock options despite the company struggling and share price wallowing. Of course they don't want to expense their stock options either. All this is sitting poorly with shareholders and likely employees since is diluting their shares.
Just the other day the "Intel for lunch bunch", Barrett, Otellini etc. Divied up another 2 million shares.
These guys really have no shame.

Mac
 
Wingznut, the source of Intel's comments is not The Inquirer nor Geek.com, it is the Financial Times (here's the piece). Quite reliable. I suspect the Intel rep wasn't named to protect him as a source.

And I don't think anyone in this thread is comparing Opteron to I2 in terms of their respective markets as much as they are comparing them in regards to their respective (64-bit) architectures.
 
Yeah, I read the original article, and I've exchanged a couple of emails with the author.

As for comparing Opteron to Itanium, I'm referring to a section of the FT article:
Intel says that all the pieces are now in place for a much faster market uptake. "We have done all the heavy lifting. We now have the software, the tools, the chipsets and the validation. Opteron has none of that. Itanium is ready to take off."
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There are a number of other references in that article, comparing Opteron to Itanium in the same market, such as:
Success for Opteron depends on whether Intel can rebuild momentum around Itanium.
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Originally posted by: Wingznut
Yeah, I read the original article, and I've exchanged a couple of emails with the author.

As for comparing Opteron to Itanium, I'm referring to a section of the FT article:
Intel says that all the pieces are now in place for a much faster market uptake. "We have done all the heavy lifting. We now have the software, the tools, the chipsets and the validation. Opteron has none of that. Itanium is ready to take off."
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There are a number of other references in that article, comparing Opteron to Itanium in the same market, such as:
Success for Opteron depends on whether Intel can rebuild momentum around Itanium.
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I see your point. It's not really surprising though, as most of these types of writers don't really know the difference between Opteron and I2 expect to say that one was built by AMD and the other by Intel. There is some overlap in 4-way and 8-way SMP systems obviously, but in general I2 is targeted at the very high-end where Opteron is simply unable to compete. So the FI can compare Opteron to I2, it's just that they make it seem like they are direct competitors, which just isn't accurate.
 
Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
I suspect the Intel rep wasn't named to protect him as a source.
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If he's speaking with a reporter anonymously then obviously he doesn't officially speak FOR Intel. He's just giving his opinion of the matter and is too much of a coward to let everyone know who he is. Anonymous opinions mean diddly squat.
 
Originally posted by: OddTSi
Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
I suspect the Intel rep wasn't named to protect him as a source.
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If he's speaking with a reporter anonymously then obviously he doesn't officially speak FOR Intel.
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Yes, of course.

Originally posted by: OddTSi

Anonymous opinions mean diddly squat.
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I would disagree, especially if this opinion is from a source within the company. In this case, the source is actually supporting their own company and not revealing damaging or other such information that is common among these types of anonymous sources. An example of such information would be the Yamhill project at Intel, which was revealed by an anonymous engineer at Intel who worked on the project or had some type of connection to it (I believe those were the exact terms of his relationship with Yamhill, can't remember exactly).
 
Originally posted by: psteng19
Originally posted by: justanordinaryguy
nah, this is just the first time AMD has made them nervous
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How about when the Athlon was spanking the Pentium 3 around for half the cost?
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Half the cost? the Tbird 1ghz broke the $1000 barrier.

Edit: I loved this too. "I'm not going to go out on a limb and say Intel is wrong here, but they clearly are." Well gee looks like you went there to me, Mr. Intel Insider.

Intel doesnt officially comment on anything about the competition, so either they cornered some engineer walking out of the fab, or he just made it up.
 
Originally posted by: Macro2
Intel is always nervous. Andy Grove himself said "only the paranoid survive".

Intel uses strong arm tactics to intimidate their customers. Then again, they do foot the bill for some of their customers advertising so that gives them leverage.
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What do you mean by strong arm tactics?
 
When I think about Itanium, I think about how many Opterons you can buy for the price of one Itanium. And if the tides of fate change and your business or lab needs to go to 32-bit software for some reason... yeah. I'll take the name "IBM" as an endorsement that Opteron has potential.

Tangentially, my understanding is that the thermal output of an Itanium... well, lemme look it up. Yep, 130W. That's quite a bit, around $100 per year at 7c per kW-hour and assuming that the motherboard's voltage regulators are around 75% efficient. Multiply that by about 3.5 if its heat is also being removed from a controlled environment (server room) by means of an HVAC system. Opteron does have the edge in that department, for what it may be worth.
 
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