Intel Coffee Lake and Cannonlake in H2-2017, Icelake in 2018 (DigiTimes)

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  1. Sweepr

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    Mainstream 6C/12T next year, followed by a new CPU architecture in 2018?

    www.digitimes.com/news/a20160904PD201.html

    Original Coffee Lake 'leak' from PC Watch in July (mobile roadmap):

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    A good way for Intel to get around the fact that 10nm yields won't be mature until later in 2018. The products that need 10nm the most get it (i.e. power constrained notebooks) while the parts that can deal with a bit more power consumption for more performance (i.e. desktops and "H" series notebooks) stay on 14nm.
     
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    If true i'll probably end up buying it.
     
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    CoffeLake in 2018 is still at 14nm ??
     
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    @Arachnotronic

    Keep in mind that 10nm will be about 12-18 months later than planned and that it is the 2nd gen of SADP, so that will be more matuire. So I would expect healthy yields from the start, that's the whole reason for the delay. The only thing that 10nm needs isn't mature health, but better health than 14nm at same point in development. Because of the improvement in density, cost will be better (although offset for a part by bigger dies).

    Edit: The article does not mention Coffe Lake, and only the last paragraph is about Cannonlake, which we already know.
     
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    According to Intel's roadmap, the chipmaker is expected to roll out its 10nm notebook-use Cannon Lake and 14nm desktop-use Coffee Lake CPUs in the second half of 2017 and to bring out Ice Lake CPUs in 2018.
     
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    Are you talking about a different roadmap than the above ??
     
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    This is the original mobile roadmap where Coffee Lake was leaked, certainly not the one DigiTimes saw.
     
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    Digitimes is talking, it's not me.
     
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    Desktop KabyLake is Q1 2017, i dont see Desktop CoffeLake any time sooner than Q1 2018. Unless Kaby gets the same treatment as Broadwell which i find it not realistic at this time.
     
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    I imagine it would be like Kabylake in that Coffee Lake could ship to OEMs in Q4 2017, but you won't see products until Q1 2018.
     
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    Intel 10nm interconnect pitch information

    Okay guys, so I stand corrected. Previously in this thread (https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/arm-and-intel-team-up-for-10nm.2483328/), I followed Arachnotronic's reasoning that Intel's interconnect pitch would be 31nm (to achieve 0.46x scaling), or at least an upper bound of 34nm (same scaling of 0.65x as 14nm, because scaling of gate pitch also is the same as 14nm).

    However, now it seems the actual interconnect pitch is 38nm. This would mean a rather meager 0.74x scaling, resulting in an area scaling of 0.57x.

    Source is the discussion page of Wikichip's 10nm article, where I asked the question: http://en.wikichip.org/wiki/Talk:10_nm_lithography_process.

    It's still possible however that these pitches are conservative numbers, because earlier (before I corrected it) the page said that gate pitch would be 55nm (instead of the actual value of 54nm disclosed at IDF).
     
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    Digitimes claims to be referencing an official Intel roadmap, yet all of the available ones from Intel show no such thing as Coffee Lake. I think they need to include some sort of reference for us to take that as fact, since in this claim they do not appear to be saying they have insider sources.
     
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    Intel doesn't seem to provide real roadmaps publicly anymore. You can be assured Coffee Lake exists.
     
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    DigiTimes is aware of this:

    And they still say desktop Coffee Lake is H2-2017 in Intel's roadmap. If DigiTimes got this one right, like they did many times regarding Intel products in the past, next year we will have:

    - Insane ST performance in the form of 7700K (up to 4.5 GHz) / Kaby Lake-X (>4.5 GHz Turbo?)
    - Top notch MT performance with 6C/8C/10C Skylake-X for enthusiasts
    - Brand new HEDT platform supporting Skylake-X and future Cannonlake-X parts
    - The long awaited mainstream hexa-core with Coffee Lake
    - Possibly a new GT3 + eDRAM SKU for regular LGA desktops with Coffee Lake
    - Brand new 10nm Cannonlake-Y/U parts to counter Raven Ridge APUs in mobile
     
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    I want to share two slides from an Intel Mobile Roadmap.

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    It confirms 4 cores for ULT and 6 cores for H proccessors. But it looks like GT3e was incorrect from watch.impress. 6+2 makes more sense because 6+3e would be huge on 14nm and Intel don't like huge Mainstream Dies. We can hope that it comes with Gen10 nevertheless.

    I wonder why CNL TDP increases to 5.2W, possibly because of a FIVR comeback?
     
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    That roadmap makes more sense, although that's pretty disappointing they can't get Cannon Lake or Coffee Lake out earlier. Still no leaks about the desktop roadmap either. And no GT4e, seems like they are giving up on that too.

    Possibly. I do expect the FIVR to be back.
     
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    Broadwell-Y had FIVR 2 and was 4.5W. Maybe PCH integrated on die?

    So this confirms that Kaby Lake was delayed. Hope this does not impact CNL which is already late compared to other foundries. I wonder why. Maybe because of 14nm+ yield issues?
     
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    Thank you for once again sharing interesting info! I will post this in other threads if you don't mind.

    Apollo Lake successor in less than a year?
     
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    For a very long time we knew that the second wave of Kabylake with HDMI 2.0 was scheduled for late 2016/early 2017. I don't see a delay.
     
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    Great info, thanks.
     
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    The changes to 14nm+ do not affect the yield learning that Intel has done on 14nm in general.
     
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    Not looking good. They must have caught wind that Zen sucks!

    Of course CNL is impacted. Only low performance get the update. Everything else is CFL. Hopefully,, this doesn't mean that in the future, the performance segments will still be behind with little updates here and there (i.e. moar cores, GT3e, 14nm ++++) But I'm kind of skeptical Intel will catch them all up at Icelake.
     
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    If you look this is a roadmap from April.
     
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    That's true and maybe the schedule could have been re-arranged a bit. Hopefully they will bring in Coffee Lake and Cannon Lake.