Intel Coffee Lake - 2/4/6 core - 14nm

[mikk]

http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/column/ubiq/1010830.html


Intel is planning another 14nm generation in 2018 according to pc.watch.impress. This is aimed for 28W TDP and higher SKUs obviously because these models are coming with edram and GT3.

I wonder if we get 6 core Coffe Lake for desktop LGA 1151 as well after Kabylake because this is a replacement for Kabylake H-Series and H-Series are traditionally based on the same Die. The edram and +2 cores would give us a nice boost for the mainstream platform.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Let's hope this uses a new CPU + GPU uArch.

 

[mikk]

Best case would be Cannonlake CPU µarch and Gen10 GPU.

 

[jpiniero]

Cannonlake might have Gen10 by itself. Oddly they are maybe doing a QC for Kabylake U but not Coffee Lake?

 

[mikk]

Probably a mistake, I doubt there will be a Quadcore for ULT with Kabylake. Otherwise Coffee Lake would get 4 cores as well.

 

[jpiniero]

Probably a mistake, I doubt there will be a Quadcore for ULT with Kabylake. Otherwise Coffee Lake would get 4 cores as well.

Yeah it would make more sense if Coffee Lake U had 4C and not Kabylake U.

 

[frozentundra123456]

So is this basically another 10nm delay? Also, does that mean finally 6 cores in mobile?

And where is GT4e? Has that been cancelled, or is it for desktop? Just seems strange that they would put the largest igp and edram on 14nm instead of 10nm. Could this mean they expect lousy yields for 10nm? Seems like Intel is still struggling mightily with 14nm and below.

 

[mikk]

So is this basically another 10nm delay?

First 10nm products are targeted for Q4 2017 it seems, this is roughly a year after Kabylake. No delay if they can hold this.

Also, does that mean finally 6 cores in mobile?

This is the case assuming the sources from pc.watch.impress are accurate.

And where is GT4e? Has that been cancelled, or is it for desktop?

With a Gen9 GPU at 14nm their sweetspot for the 28-45W class is clearly GT3e because GT4e doesn't add much over GT3e, it is power limited at 45W, it would be even worse with a sixcore. And maybe this is based on a new GPU generation with more than 48 EUs. GT3e makes sense to me.

Just seems strange that they would put the largest igp and edram on 14nm instead of 10nm. Could this mean they expect lousy yields for 10nm? Seems like Intel is still struggling mightily with 14nm and below.

14nm is cheap and available in big quantity for Intel.

 

[Blue_Max]

Let's hope this uses a new CPU + GPU uArch.

gaaAAaaaahh! This just makes my desired purchase of a new laptop all the worse. Wait for new or get what's current....


...what was the ETA for the new release? (Oops. Re-read OP... 2018. I can buy that lappy now.)

 

[Sweepr]

They finally realized there's nowhere to go in terms of higher clockspeeds for mobile 4C/8T. Time to move up, and desktops will get mainstream 6C/12T as well, as a consequence.

 

[cytg111]

skylake is gonna be one looong chip

 

[plopke]

skylake is gonna be one looong chip

Yeah I mean , yippie finally 6 cores as standard but it is only for 2018,so it is a bit boring for a while or is there anything special for Kaby lake planned.

 

[cytg111]

It will be interresting to see how the HEDT line will adapt to this, I think its safe to say that 6C is gone and you will be hard pressed for an argument for 8C as well (on last seasons uarch no less). Dual sockets HEDT incoming?
Well, at least SOMETHING is happening, yay .

 

[DrMrLordX]

Should be interesting to see how this actually shakes out. We still don't have gt3e on the desktop for the Skylake generation. Of course that only shows H on down, not S, so . . . yeah.

 

[Phynaz]

And another reason to not upgrade in the coming years. I may get a decade out of this CPU.

Edit: Unless that hex core is pretty darn cheap. Like the price of today's quads.

 

[The Stilt]

Loving the name

 

[frozentundra123456]

Well, TBH, I am still skeptical about six cores in mobile. Seems strange to put six cores in a laptop with 45 watt max TDP. Cant even run a quad at full speed in that power envelope.

But it looks interesting. I have been saying for a long time they should make edram standard on the mobile quads. Hopefully this is true, and they will also increase core count on the desktop and make iris pro more widespread there as well.

@ Stilt: Now we know why Intel has had all the delays and slow progress at 14nm. All thier engineers are sitting by the lake drinking coffee.

 

[dahorns]

Let's hope this uses a new CPU + GPU uArch.

That would make sense and be good news I think. Maybe Intel is deciding to increase the cadence of its Arch changes and work on them concurrently with process changes.

 

[jpiniero]

Well, TBH, I am still skeptical about six cores in mobile. Seems strange to put six cores in a laptop with 45 watt max TDP. Cant even run a quad at full speed in that power envelope.

Well, the top Skylake i7 mobile has a base of 2.9 Ghz and can full core turbo to 3.4 Ghz at 45W. That's not terrible by any means. If CL could turbo to 3.4 Ghz with all 6 cores that would be a nice improvement although I wouldn't expect much on the single core side of things.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Yea, wonder if this is to try to keep AMD from getting the Macbooks with Zen APUs?

 

[Sweepr]

Other than 6C/12T, standard GT3e across all products would be great. That's 50% more cores on top of eDRAM to help certain applications. Probably massive iGPU perf. increase from Kaby Lake-S GT2 as well.

If I had to guess, I bet they will keep Celeron/Pentium/i3 Kaby Lake-S products in 2018 and update the i5/i7 with 4C/6C + GT3e Coffee Lake.

 

[coercitiv]

Well, TBH, I am still skeptical about six cores in mobile. Seems strange to put six cores in a laptop with 45 watt max TDP. Cant even run a quad at full speed in that power envelope.

Not with the new low level gaming APIs or in well multithreaded scenarios, you can actually end up saving power for same or better performance.

Even testing browsing with very low power limits on 2c vs 4c mobile CPUs may actually prove quite surprising on a well threaded browser like Chrome.

 

[jpiniero]

Yea, wonder if this is to try to keep AMD from getting the Macbooks with Zen APUs?

Probably more simplifying things at the higher TDP range since it's only a small portion of sales. They can also effectively raise prices too.

 

[Doom2pro]

Ugh where are they getting these weird names from? Kaby reminds me of Kirby's dreamland and Coffee? Straight out of Sun's Java!

I know it's completely irrelevant to performance but... Vomit.

What next? Intel Kobe Lakers?

 

[jpiniero]

Ugh where are they getting these weird names from?

A Map? Kaby Lake is in Ontario. Coffee Lake is in Wisconsin.