Question Intel Celestial XE3 discussion - not dead yet

[gaav87]

Some code snippet's that michael on twitter found.

GFX3000 gfx ver == 30 - Is Pantherlake U A0 step PTL_U_A0
GFX3001 is PTL_H
Also mention of Xe3 and later - guess DGPU is not dead yet ?

 

[marees]

All prior leaks were that celestial is on

https://twitter.com/x/status/1857846521288327205

 

[vanplayer]

Battlemage would be the last consumer dGPU from Intel. Although Celestial project still alives though.

 

[mikk]

There is Falcon Shores which is Xe3 based. According to Exist50 multiple sub-versions over several generations will be using Xe3 graphics including a Xe3p variant. Nova Lake also uses Xe3.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

There is Falcon Shores which is Xe3 based. According to Exist50 multiple sub-versions over several generations will be using Xe3 graphics including a Xe3p variant. Nova Lake also uses Xe3.

So, this means there are Xe3 consumer dGPUs still in the pipeline?

 

[gaav87]

So, this means there are Xe3 consumer dGPUs still in the pipeline?

Yes

 

[DavidC1]

Exist50 says Celestial dGPU is still dead. This is a battle between leakers, him and bionic squash, both reliable so we shall see.

And G10 was 64 Xe cores, just like early rumors, but was cancelled because it featured ADM memory and their profits tanked.

So indeed Battlemage had 3 versions. The quad tile version with 2560 EUs, the ADM version with 64 Xe cores, and the 32 Xe core version that is coming. I would think having 3 radically different versions is a problem and not having that many would mean the product would have arrived much earlier.

 

[mikk]

Exist50 says Celestial dGPU is still dead. This is a battle between leakers, him and bionic squash, both reliable so we shall see.

And G10 was 64 Xe cores, just like early rumors, but was cancelled because it featured ADM memory and their profits tanked.

So indeed Battlemage had 3 versions. The quad tile version with 2560 EUs, the ADM version with 64 Xe cores, and the 32 Xe core version that is coming. I would think having 3 radically different versions is a problem and not having that many would mean the product would have arrived much earlier.

G10 was the smaller X3 package with 28 Xe cores. G12 was planned as X4 package a long time ago even before G10 had been cancelled. I'm aware of 4 versions.

 

[gaav87]

Intel panther lake xe3 gpu benchmark

 

[igor_kavinski]

Intel panther lake xe3 gpu benchmark
View attachment 111853

Can you show comparison with Xe and Xe2?

 

[gaav87]

Can you show comparison with Xe and Xe2?

I would link myself from twitter but mods dont like it
It looks like around 1.25-1.3x core for core vs xe2 in lunarlake
12xe3 panther lake should be roughly 2x the igpu per of lunar lake 8xe2
Kinda crazy 2 fukin xD

 

[gaav87]

Can you show comparison with Xe and Xe2?

lunar lake igpu has 4.2Tflops and in sisofsandra it has ~3.5flops. This one has 2.0tflops I think the therorethical is 4x8x48x1600 and they increased fp32 from 32 to ops48 per cu per clock. Sisof always lowers by around 20%.
If this is true theen full pantherlake 12(xe3)x8(per core)x48(fp32)x2050(mhz) =9,45Tflops of fp32 is crazy. ~ arc A580 /rx6600 dgpu perf.

 

[uzzi38]

Exist50 says Celestial dGPU is still dead. This is a battle between leakers, him and bionic squash, both reliable so we shall see.

From what Bionic's told me, I think Exist50 is just wrong on some of the specifics.

Specifically, it's not really "Celestial" dGPUs that are dead.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Specifically, it's not really "Celestial" dGPUs that are dead.

Great. More riddles

So either Druid is dead or there existed something between BMG and Celestial that was terminated unceremoniously.

 

[mikk]

Jaykihn says Celestial dGPU is still planned.

Last dGPU?

Desktop Celestial and Druid are as planned as ever.

I’m afraid you’ve gotten Intel’s commitment to laptop dGPUs and desktop dGPUs mixed up.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1861785631896060319

 

[gaav87]

Intel celestial 128EU (16core?) tsmc n4 ?
R&D made in Poland

NOT DEAD YET (MLID)

 

[marees]

Intel celestial 128EU (16core?) tsmc n4 ?
R&D made in Poland

NOT DEAD YET (MLID)

View attachment 112534View attachment 112535

If it Is N4 then it will be DoA, imo
Has to be N3 (like RDNA 5)

 

[DZero]

Battlemage would be the last consumer dGPU from Intel. Although Celestial project still alives though.

Imagine if Intel somehow triumphs with the BM. Celestial would be alive and well, but I can expect being demoted to Laptop GPU in order to not depends on nVIDIA or AMD.

 

[gaav87]

Imagine if Intel somehow triumphs with the BM. Celestial would be alive and well, but I can expect being demoted to Laptop GPU in order to not depends on nVIDIA or AMD.

Well i just showed, a celestial dgpu "karta graficzna" is dgpu in Polish from Polish r&d team from 2months ago. So yeah so far its alive

 

[marees]

Time to start a Druid thread ???

Intel confirms Xe3 architecture ‘is baked’, hardware team already working on successor​

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-confirms-xe3-architecture-is-baked-hardware-team-already-working-on-successor

 

[dangerman1337]

Time to start a Druid thread ???

Intel confirms Xe3 architecture ‘is baked’, hardware team already working on successor​

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-confirms-xe3-architecture-is-baked-hardware-team-already-working-on-successor

Probably, big wonder if Intel is all in on Druid being the big return by being MCM based (wonder if they can get glass substrates for that in time).

If it Is N4 then it will be DoA, imo
Has to be N3 (like RDNA 5)

With Battlemage, Intel still needs to work on PPA on architecture. Maybe N4 won't be so bad if they can massively improve it to the extent it's competitive with RTX 50/Geforce Blackwell and keep it affordable. Let Druid take advantage of being part of a big shrink + MCM.

 

[FlameTail]

There is Falcon Shores which is Xe3 based. According to Exist50 multiple sub-versions over several generations will be using Xe3 graphics including a Xe3p variant. Nova Lake also uses Xe3.

Xe3p = Xe3 Plus?

Seems like Xe3 will be a long lived architecture.

 

[marees]

Xe3p = Xe3 Plus?

Seems like Xe3 will be a long lived architecture.

...if the board don't screw it up.

I believed in Pat
But not this board

 

[FlameTail]

What are some GPU architectural upgrades that might come to Xe3/Celestial?

1. Shader Execution Re-ordering
2. Mesh Nodes and Work Graphs
3. SIMT architecture

 

[adroc_thurston]

Shader Execution Re-ordering

They already do that.

Mesh Nodes and Work Graphs

Well yeah they're D3D12 things.

SIMT architecture

All modern GPUs are that (the term itself is a misnomer anyway).
VLIW has been le dead for a while.