Intel Celeron D. Nice Improvements Still Dumb Name

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Nemesis2038

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Does anyone else think with all the Imrovements Intel made to the Celeron that they should finally have cosidered changing the name. After several generations of celerons all being dawgs and it finally having some nuts I still dont think after hearing the name celeron will get anyone I know to buy one.

Why not Acceleron? or Xeleron?

Most of us think Celeron = Junk. Seems its pretty darn good now and deserves a better name.

What is Intel marketing thinking or lack of Thinking?

Anand did you try overclocking it?
 
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The thing loses the majority of the benchmarks to a two years old tech the 2600+. The ones it loses it looses bad and are very important to note as it shows in the majority of apps which are not SSE2 optimized the 2600+ raw power destorys the new celeron this will be reflected accross the board with much more apps than the review leads on. It also costs 50% more money than a $73 2600+.

Just as foolish to buy one of these celerons as the old celerons only less so given by this chart as percentages less worse.

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/cpu/intel/celerond/image001.gif
 
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monte84

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What is weird, and is not mentioned in the review is how the 2200+ beat the 2500+ in Quake 3 compliation.
 
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oldfart

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Originally posted by: Nemesis2038
After several generations of celerons all being dawgs and it finally having some nuts I
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Older Celerons were pretty good. Some great overclockers. The Tualatin based Celerons were pretty fast chips.
 
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CraigRT

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Originally posted by: oldfart
Originally posted by: Nemesis2038
After several generations of celerons all being dawgs and it finally having some nuts I
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Older Celerons were pretty good. Some great overclockers. The Tualatin based Celerons were pretty fast chips.
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yeah i agree... but as soon as they hit the P4 celerons, they sucked huge.

the 1.7 Celeron comes to mind... ass performance!
 
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lookouthere

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how are those Celeron D overclock?
how are those overclocked compared to P4?
can anandtech do this review?
 
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SickBeast

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I personally think of big things when I hear the letter "D", especially when there are two of them side-by-side. :Q
 
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imported_michaelpatrick33

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compared to a two year old 2600 with a 2500 losing to a 2200 with slower cpu speed and fsb speed in quake compilation hmmmmm. oooooooookkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
 
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Originally posted by: SickBeast
I personally think of big things when I hear the letter "D", especially when there are two of them side-by-side. :Q
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:D

Dolly a DD
 
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Originally posted by: jhu
i'd prefer a dothan-based celeron
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Yup, those things have 512k cache on a Banias core.

On topic... overclock. Any time I hear of a new Celeron... overclock. Though some of the numbers may be fishy as pointed out by some of you, if indeed clock for clock the new Celeron outperforms the old and (according to the article) costs less, perhaps worth a look if they overclock nice. In fact, I expect them to overclock nicely. Here's my thoughts...

- Ratio of Celeron-to-P4 performance better with the Prescotts than with the Northwoods.

- Cheaper price, clock for clock (what was that, $79/2.66GHz Prescott versus $84/2.6GHz Northwood?).

- Better performance, clock for clock versus Northwood Celeron.

- Northwood Celeron overclocking on air cooling limited to, what, around 3GHz or so? Given that the Prescott is supposed to ramp up in speed, the lowest speed grade at 2.53GHz may make for a lot of headroom.

- Starting at 533MHz FSB, overclocking just increases it and with dual channel RAM may give for decent overclocked performance. How about on a VIA PT880 chipset board? Most people have had max FSB overclocks limited to about 220-230MHz FSB. That's way more than needed with a starting FSB of 533MHz. This could be a killer budget setup.

- Temperatures... sure the Prescotts run hot, but not having that extra 768k cache should reduce the temperatures (due to leakage from fewer capacitors).
 
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Speaking purly from the enthusiasts perspective since the moblie bartons can OC to 2600Mhz on air I really don't see how these will have value even overclocked. as a percentage and the way bartons ramps they will even be more superior 2.6 vs. even 3.5 celeronD.

From all the benchmarks I've seen and done a 2600 barton is equivalent to a 3.4 northwood there is no way a celeron will reach those performance levels.

I hope they do and I hope the chip comes down to about $80. Heat will be a huge factor.
 
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slag

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Speaking purly from the enthusiasts perspective since the moblie bartons can OC to 2600Mhz on air I really don't see how these will have value even overclocked. as a percentage and the way bartons ramps they will even be more superior 2.6 vs. even 3.5 celeronD.

From all the benchmarks I've seen and done a 2600 barton is equivalent to a 3.4 northwood there is no way a celeron will reach those performance levels.

I hope they do and I hope the chip comes down to about $80. Heat will be a huge factor.
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LOL.. I'm running my mobile celeron 1.6 @ 3.01 ghz on air.. at that speed its pretty fast and its a sub $100.00 chip.
 
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Com807877

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Didn't the architecture change between the 2200 and 2500? Or didn't one support a higher FSB? That could explain the performance differences.
 
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jhu

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mobile celeron in a laptop? if not, how were you able to plug it into a desktop motherboard?
 
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AWhackWhiteBoy

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"Yup, those things have 512k cache on a Banias core."

the Banias is a PIII core with a jacked low power FSB, 1meg of cache,and a few other arch changes

the Dothan is a completely new core with 2megs of cache and a lot more performance
 
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