Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

[IntelUser2000]

No
400W Ice Lake

Where did you get that? The top performing part will be a 56 core Cooper Lake. Icelake is only 38 cores and 270W.

 

[davideneco]

Where did you get that? The top performing part will be a 56 core Cooper Lake. Icelake is only 38 cores and 270W.

From a old tweet by leaker
i want just know if someone have any other info , or the 400W was canceled

 

[DrMrLordX]

If Intel is launching 400W 10nm CPUs, then . . . woof.

 

[ondma]

If Intel is launching 400W 10nm CPUs, then . . . woof.

Jumping on an unsubstantiated rumor to find some new way to bash Intel's power consumption? Woof yourself.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Jumping on an unsubstantiated rumor to find some new way to bash Intel's power consumption? Woof yourself.

I said "if", not "when". Learn to read.

You and I both know that Intel has no business launching 400W parts on server sockets in this day and age. Cooper Lake was kicked off the 2P platform for a reason.

 

[ondma]

I said "if", not "when". Learn to read.

You and I both know that Intel has no business launching 400W parts on server sockets in this day and age. Cooper Lake was kicked off the 2P platform for a reason.

Then why not wait for your criticism until you find whether it is true or not?

 

[DrMrLordX]

Then why not wait for your criticism

Nobody else does. Stop being so sensitive. It's tedious.

To the best of my knowledge, Intel hasn't teased any 10nm server parts over 270W for the Ice Lake generation. The mere fact that anyone considers a 400W 10nm SKU to be credible speaks volumes about Intel right now.

 

[uzzi38]

The mere fact that anyone considers a 400W 10nm SKU to be credible speaks volumes about Intel right now.

To be fair it's a pretty old rumour now, there's absolutely no guarantee it will happen especially not - like you said - when you consider that 2P Cooper got canned and CL-AP has had minimal traction.

 

[DrMrLordX]

To be fair it's a pretty old rumour now, there's absolutely no guarantee it will happen especially not - like you said - when you consider that 2P Cooper got canned and CL-AP has had minimal traction.

My expectation is that 38c 270W Ice Lake-SP will be the top SKU they release, assuming they actually release it. Trying anything bigger that chews up more power would be completely insane unless a big customer specifically wants the SKU for internal use only.

 

[FriedMoose]

Per APISAK on twitter the 1165G7's Geekbench 4 score is 23% above the 3900XT in both FP and INT:

LENOVO 82CU - Geekbench

Benchmark results for a LENOVO 82CU with a 11th Gen Intel Core i7-1165G7 processor.

browser.geekbench.com

System manufacturer System Product Name - Geekbench

Benchmark results for a System manufacturer System Product Name with an AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT processor.

browser.geekbench.com

Edit: ST FP and INT scores are about 35% higher than the best 4700U:

HP HP ProBook 445 G7 - Geekbench

Benchmark results for a HP HP ProBook 445 G7 with an AMD Ryzen 7 4700U processor.

browser.geekbench.com

Edit 2: Comparing multi-core FP and INT

1165G7: 26823 INT 27160 FP

4700U: 29612 INT 29285 FP

4800U: 35377 INT 36339 FP

LENOVO 81YQ - Geekbench

Benchmark results for a LENOVO 81YQ with an AMD Ryzen 7 4800U processor.

browser.geekbench.com

The 4800U leads the 1165G7 by 32% in INT and 34% in FP, which matches up almost perfectly with the difference in 3DMark CPU scores (34%):

Intel Tiger Lake Core i7-1165G7 4 Core CPU On Par With AMD Renoir Ryzen 7 4700U 8 Core CPU in 3DMark Time Spy, Up To 35% Lead In Graphics Test With Xe GPU

The latest Intel Tiger Lake benchmarks show the 4 core, Core i7-1165G7, CPU on par with AMD's 8 core, Ryzen 7 4700U, in 3DMark Time Spy.

wccftech.com

 

[Bouowmx]

Intel Core i7-1165G7 10nm CPU Benchmarked, Up To 30% Faster Than AMD's Ryzen 7 4800U 7nm CPU in Single-Threaded Workloads

Intel's 10nm Tiger Lake Core i7-1165G7 CPU has been benchmarked against the AMD Ryzen 7 4800U 7nm CPU showcasing a lead of up to 20%.

wccftech.com

WCCFTech, but the author is reporting the flurry of recent Core i7-1165G7, and i5-1135G7 too, Geekbench benchmarks, and doing a comparison to Ryzen 4000U series.

Core i5-1135G7, a more commonplace processor tier, makes a good showing on Geekbench 4: 6049 single, 21469 multi. Compared to Ryzen 5 4500U and 4600U, ~20% lead in single-core score, and for multi-core, 6% lead over 4500U and ~4% deficit to 4600U. Taking a look at the details of the scores, Tiger Lake's multi-core is propped up by high crypto and memory score. If just looking at integer and floating-point, the multi-core score is tied with 4500U, and ~10% deficit to 4600U.

And just to throw more in, top Core i5-10210U scores are (not achieved in same result) 5217, 16854.

 

[FriedMoose]

Intel Core i7-1165G7 10nm CPU Benchmarked, Up To 30% Faster Than AMD's Ryzen 7 4800U 7nm CPU in Single-Threaded Workloads

Intel's 10nm Tiger Lake Core i7-1165G7 CPU has been benchmarked against the AMD Ryzen 7 4800U 7nm CPU showcasing a lead of up to 20%.

wccftech.com

WCCFTech, but the author is reporting the flurry of recent Core i7-1165G7, and i5-1135G7 too, Geekbench benchmarks, and doing a comparison to Ryzen 4000U series.

Core i5-1135G7, a more commonplace processor tier, makes a good showing on Geekbench 4: 6049 single, 21469 multi. Compared to Ryzen 5 4500U and 4600U, ~20% lead in single-core score, and for multi-core, 6% lead over 4500U and ~4% deficit to 4600U. Taking a look at the details of the scores, Tiger Lake's multi-core is propped up by high crypto and memory score. If just looking at integer and floating-point, the multi-core score is tied with 4500U, and ~10% deficit to 4600U.

And just to throw more in, top Core i5-10210U scores are (not achieved in same result) 5217, 16854.

If you notice the 4800U is running Linux while the 1165G7 is running Windows. Linux is usually 10% faster. If you take the best 4800U Windows score the difference is >30%.

4800u - Geekbench Search - Geekbench

 

[Carfax83]

Although I hate Geekbench, it's all we have right now. That said, its an amazing score for Tiger Lake and Intel has shown remarkable progress on their 10nm+. This bodes well for Alder Lake which will use 10nm++, and could very well hit 5ghz+ speeds!

Just goes to show how advantageous process node is to CPU performance.

Also, this is why I have always said that Zen 3 will be the real game changer for AMD if it's going to happen. Zen 2 brought parity more or less with Intel's Skylake CPUs, but Zen 3 could potentially deliver a critical strike against Intel.

 

[lobz]

Then why not wait for your criticism until you find whether it is true or not?

Man, this is a forum thread speculating about future products, you really should hold back your horses before you bash other people for doing what people on a forum should do.

 

[mikk]

These scores are really good and confirms Tigerlake i7-1165G7 can boost up to 4.7 Ghz. The lower end i5-1135G7 can boost up to 4.2 Ghz which is similar to CML-U i5, and also comes with G7 graphics. Not many people expected such a CPU improvement with the same amount of cores.

 

[IntelUser2000]

At least for Geekbench the 1165G7 is 24% faster than the 1065G7 Windows-to-Windows best result comparison using Int and FP scores.

There will be cases where the 4700/4800U will have a greater advantage. In Geekbench ST 7W Amberlake performs nearly as well as the 25W U CPUs(16% difference) while in reality its significantly behind(45-50%). So Geekbench doesn't fully stress the CPUs or the tests are less realistic.

4700U shows 50-60% gain over the 1065G7 while in GB its less at 30-35%.

 

[TheGiant]

At least for Geekbench the 1165G7 is 24% faster than the 1065G7 Windows-to-Windows best result comparison using Int and FP scores.

There will be cases where the 4700/4800U will have a greater advantage. In Geekbench ST 7W Amberlake performs nearly as well as the 25W U CPUs(16% difference) while in reality its significantly behind(45-50%). So Geekbench doesn't fully stress the CPUs or the tests are less realistic.

4700U shows 50-60% gain over the 1065G7 while in GB its less at 30-35%.

the first tick single thread gain is ok, if not very good
it all comes out to what is the all 4 core sustainable boost, there icelake fails

any other benches than this crap of GB?

 

[mikk]

Core i5-1135G7
Compute Units 80
Maximum Frequency 1.30 GHz

LENOVO 82CU - Geekbench

Benchmark results for a LENOVO 82CU with a 11th Gen Intel Core i5-1135G7 processor.

browser.geekbench.com

Notebookcheck was correct Core i5 get 80 EUs, even though it comes with G7 branding. The iGPU boost of 1300 Mhz is a high one for Intel, usually Intels ULV models topped out at 1150 Mhz in previous generations. I guess this is a result of the improved 10nm process. They are still behind Renoir/Vega @ 7nm regarding iGPU clock speeds, this is something they could improve further for 10++ with ADL-P.

 

[IntelUser2000]

the first tick single thread gain is ok, if not very good
it all comes out to what is the all 4 core sustainable boost, there icelake fails

The MT performance might end up with a further lead over Icelake. For the 1135G7 it ends up with 9% gain in MT and 14% gain in MT over 1065G7. There is also an earlier result indicating the same.

Notebookcheck was correct Core i5 get 80 EUs, even though it comes with G7 branding.

Yup. Though I don't think they got all the SKUs. Core i3 is shown as a 48EU while they have the Core i3 as having a G4 SKU. G4 could end up being a 64EU one.

Clocks are pretty good even against Vega, since it has much less compute units. Remember, its Xe-LP, while discrete versions use Xe-HP.

The Pentium and Celerons are supposed to get a 48EU G1. So even the low end is going to beat Icelake in graphics.

 

[jpiniero]

You really should be comparing it to the 1068NG7 (and the AMD H parts), although there are no Windows GB4 results of the 1068NG7 on there.

Need more data.

 

[IntelUser2000]

You really should be comparing it to the 1068NG7 (and the AMD H parts), although there are no Windows GB4 results of the 1068NG7 on there.

Not comparing against parts with higher TDP. Doubt manufacturers will set it higher than 25W PL1 anyway.

Update: Don't use Geekbench's OpenCL results for comparing graphics. The Iris Plus 655 which is a Gen 9 GT3e is just as fast as Iris Plus G7 in Icelake and beats Tigerlake's score.

 

[uzzi38]

Not comparing against parts with higher TDP. Doubt manufacturers will set it higher than 25W PL1 anyway.

Update: Don't use Geekbench's OpenCL results for comparing graphics. The Iris Plus 655 which is a Gen 9 GT3e is just as fast as Iris Plus G7 in Icelake and beats Tigerlake's score.

Iris Plus 655 scores are weird, most Windows scores are in the ~40k range, but then you have the odd few that score high 50s and occasionally 60k. Not sure what's up with that.

 

[mikk]

OpenCL drivers can have a big effect on the scores, I know this from Gen9. Also some architectures may be less optimized for computing workloads while better for gaming. These OpenCL scores are not that interesting at the moment.

 

[jpiniero]

Not comparing against parts with higher TDP. Doubt manufacturers will set it higher than 25W PL1 anyway.

Isn't the default PL1 on Tiger Lake U 28W? Could be a Geekbench reporting error as to what the actual base is though.

If you look, the person testing ran it a bunch of times where the performance is much lower. You can't tell if it's due to throttling because of power/heat or the user though.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Isn't the default PL1 on Tiger Lake U 28W? Could be a Geekbench reporting error as to what the actual base is though.

Default doesn't have much meaning nowadays.

The Amberlake chip has a TDP of 5W, with cTDPup of 7W. Guess what Dell and HP uses? 9W.

Icelake has a 15W TDP with cTDPup of 25W. I've seen 15W, 18W, 25W, 28W, and 46W(temporary). Yes that's all PL1.

TDP isn't fixed either. The Icelake Dell convertible is set at 46W when thermal headroom exists and on AC. But is 25W on battery power. Good chance the Tablet mode is even lower, perhaps 15W.

By the way the Ryzen H goes way higher. It consumes 50-60W in some systems. 35W my ass.