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I saw somewhere, I think Hardware Unboxed, that high end gaming rig sales (from OEMs) is almost entirely i7 9900k. No one was touching AMD. That sentiment may have trickled down to lesser systems (years of Intel Inside advertising, etc.).
I know last Atom core is pretty wide, 3xALU+1xbranch. But why did you mentioned that? You mean that Atom cores will be wider than big cores soon? Atom cores evolution is much faster (from 2xALU in-order to 3xALU OoO) while big core design is kind of stuck.Are you a huge fan of intel tremont?
introducing-intel-tremont-microarchiture.pdf
witeken's latest tweet, and I quote:
NNP-I/T
You chose the wrong forum for this kind of conversation and hysteria-mongering. You were also warned by admins a couple of times, I don't understand why are you trying to force this simple perception of yours on the whole audience of AT forums.AMD fans go, For an AMD thread, Leave that thread alone.
Nervana was praised to be the AI-Messiah at one point.Intel Axes Nervana AI Chips In Favor Of Habana Labs | CRN
Intel says it is axing its Nervana neural network processors in favor of the AI chips it gained from Habana Labs.www.crn.com
Intel Axes Nervana AI Chips In Favor Of Habana Labs
The inside story is much uglier
Typical Intel bloviation.Nervana was praised to be the AI-Messiah at one point.
Intel Axes Nervana AI Chips In Favor Of Habana Labs | CRN
Intel says it is axing its Nervana neural network processors in favor of the AI chips it gained from Habana Labs.www.crn.com
Intel Axes Nervana AI Chips In Favor Of Habana Labs
The inside story is much uglier
No that’s a separate, internal effortWait . . . does that mean Loihi is dead?
BwhahahahahahaNervana was praised to be the AI-Messiah at one point.
Well looking at the paper the design seams made to scale, and if the arm, apple designs are getting wider like you said and those are/still very power efficient, that means I see intel keeping the clocks low on the atom but making the core wider to achieve higher performance, not meaning that will be faster than the bigger cores, those will always have high clocks and high ipc and a big cooler to cool it down.I know last Atom core is pretty wide, 3xALU+1xbranch. But why did you mentioned that? You mean that Atom cores will be wider than big cores soon? Atom cores evolution is much faster (from 2xALU in-order to 3xALU OoO) while big core design is kind of stuck.
You are right. Intel can make Atom in future ultra wide low power something like A13 (mainly targeting laptops), that makes sense too. However I think Intel will come up with wider architecture for Core first (probably Golden Cove?).Well looking at the paper the design seams made to scale, and if the arm, apple designs are getting wider like you said and those are/still very power efficient, that means I see intel keeping the clocks low on the atom but making the core wider to achieve higher performance, not meaning that will be faster than the bigger cores, those will always have high clocks and high ipc and a big cooler to cool it down.
Different markets approach...
I agree, 2022 is the year where Intel could put everything together and strike back.
Sapphire Rapids is still 10nm, isn't it?
I agree, Intel looks in really bad posision now. However Intel 10nm transistor density is crazy, it's equal to TSMC's 7nm. They simply jumped two nodes ahead so 4 years looks OK (new node every 2 years tick/tock strategy). On top of that Intel has clearly a big problem with last DUV process. So it looks like Intel is full of incompetent people when they are stuck at 14nm for 5 years (Broadwell on 14nm was end of 2014). But closer look shows 1 year delay only (this can happen when you push old DUV technology to the edge).Sapphire Rapids is still 10nm, isn't it? That process is in shambles 4 years after its original introduction. I stopped believing that it can be salvaged, even though originally it seemed ridiculous to think that Intel lacks the money and resources to do just that. Heck, they could have just restarted development and they would have something competetive with TSMC 7nm by now, if everything worked as expected/in the old days.
Keller's significantly wider core - Golden Cove
Jim Keller started to work at Intel at April 2018, considering that ADL is not due until 2021 Q2 at the earliest, and that it probably taped out at 2019 H2, it should give Jim enough time at least to influence it somewhat, and in any case he knows exactly what it looks like. I do believe Intel internally call Golden Cove the NGC, It IS probably the next generation of x86 cores after Sunny Cove (Willow Cove isn't much more than adding cache to Sunny Cove).Allegedly, Golden is the last Cove that started development without input from Keller. Ocean Cove, on the other hand, apparently doesn't even exist anymore, depending on whom you believe (and is replaced by . . . Ocean Cove?).
Probably the first Ice Lake server six-core CPU result:
empty empty - Geekbench
Benchmark results for an empty empty with an Intel Pentium II/III processor.browser.geekbench.com
(More results: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/search?utf8=✓&q=GenuineIntel+Family+6+Model+106+Stepping+0 )
Looks like an engineering sample considering the frequencies it's running at ( https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/15119835.gb4 ) - it doesn't hit more than 2700MHz and overall frequencies are very unstable and all over the place - bad thermals? bad cooling?
A dual CPU system with 384GB of RAM. Impressive.
Six cores, low frequency - GeezProbably the first Ice Lake server six-core CPU result:
That's a stepping zero and if you look at frequency over time there are lots of variations, this system doesn't look stable.Six cores, low frequency - Geez
So, who's ready for meme volumes, desktop edition?
Well, if they are going to backport Willow, may as well backport Golden too. Talk about toasty..