Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

[arandomguy]

But Intel also decided to the launch the 7640x and 7740x which don't make any sense either pricing wise compared to the 7600k and 7700k.

 

[LTC8K6]

Realistic case is IMO

base- 3.8GHz
all core turbo- 4.2GHz
single core turbo- 4.7GHz

not because the process can not handle it but because there is a 7800X which costs 390USD and if the new 6C CFL has 4.0 GHz base and 4.4GHz all core turbo it will wipe the floor with 7800X- and with the MB price difference and power consumption difference, the 7800X will become obsolete

I wonder how Intel handles the 7800X vs 6C CFL situation

7800X has 4 channel ram and 28 lanes and AVX-512. Not really a problem differentiating, imo. You will clearly get more features with the 7800X.

 

[LTC8K6]

But Intel also decided to the launch the 7640x and 7740x which don't make any sense either pricing wise compared to the 7600k and 7700k.

They are just entry level chips to the HEDT line with DDR4-2666 support. Not really that strange.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

For sure interesting. My bet is the hike up the price for 6c CFL compared to 7700k. So it will be $390 at least my guess, probably more like $419.

The 7800x would be cheaper - I don't think Intel wants that.

 

[AdamK47]

But Intel also decided to the launch the 7640x and 7740x which don't make any sense either pricing wise compared to the 7600k and 7700k.

Many people have said that Kaby Lake X doesn't make sense. I didn't think it made sense either when it launched. As time progressed since launch I've been thinking about system building differently.

I've always had the best consumer Intel CPU. In recent years I've had the 980X, 3960X, 4960X, 5960X, and 6950X.

I've had crazy video card setups. In the same timeframe of those CPUs I've had three AMD 5870s in Crossfire, 3-Way GTX 480, 3-Way GTX 580, three 7970s in Crossfire, 4-Way (2) GTX 690, 4-Way GTX Titan, 4-Way GTX 980, 4-Way Titan X, 2-Way GTX 1080, 2-Way Pascal Titan X, and now 2-Way Titan Xp. Had it not been for Nvidia dropping support for 3-Way and 4-Way SLI starting with the 1080 I'd probably have four Titan Xp cards in my system right now.

I've even gone bonkers with solid state drives. The most extreme was probably having eight 512GB drives in RAID-0 (4TB) on the X79 system. It's still kinda crazy now with four 2TB drives in RAID-0 (8TB).

It's time for me to scale back my builds to a less crazy level. Kaby Lake X makes sense to me since it's the fastest gaming CPU. That's the majority of what my home system is now used for. Kaby Lake X on the X299 provides the best voltage support to make 5GHz all the more attainable. It provides higher memory support to make DDR4 4000 more attainable. Sure it costs more than Z2170, but then again I'm coming from a $1700 CPU and a $500 motherboard. A $350 CPU and $350 motherboard is cheap to me.

 

[beginner99]

It's time for me to scale back my builds to a less crazy level. Kaby Lake X makes sense to me since it's the fastest gaming CPU.

Till coffeelake 6-core in October. Yes Kaby-X will probably OC a bit higher and hence be maybe 3-5% faster in single-threaded games. But loses in any multi threaded game (BF1) or encoding by a huge margin.

 

[TheGiant]

7800X has 4 channel ram and 28 lanes and AVX-512. Not really a problem differentiating, imo. You will clearly get more features with the 7800X.

The features will be completely ignored by the 6C buying crowd if CFL outperforms it in games, doesn't need water cooling, consumes 30+% less power, board cost 150USD less and overclocks to ~5GHz

 

[Edrick]

Anyone know if the HEDT (and Skylake-SP Xeon) lineup will get a 14++ update or are they going straight to 10nm?

 

[raghu78]

Anyone know if the HEDT (and Skylake-SP Xeon) lineup will get a 14++ update or are they going straight to 10nm?

Both HEDT and Skylake-SP will get a refresh called Cascade Lake built on 14++ in 2018 .

https://newsroom.intel.com/news/int...pcoming-intel-xeon-processor-scalable-family/

"Intel persistent memory will be available in 2018 as part of an Intel Xeon Processor Scalable family refresh (codename: Cascade Lake). "

 

[R0H1T]

The features will be completely ignored by the 6C buying crowd if CFL outperforms it in games, doesn't need water cooling, consumes 30+% less power, board cost 150USD less and overclocks to ~5GHz

Sounds like a mythical/hypothetical beast on 10nm, as it stands right now CFL is just Skylake on a more refined process, plus we've seen with KBL that it'll run hot (full load) when OCed & especially with that TIM issue.

Both HEDT and Skylake-SP will get a refresh called Cascade Lake built on 14++ in 2018 .

https://newsroom.intel.com/news/int...pcoming-intel-xeon-processor-scalable-family/

"Intel persistent memory will be available in 2018 as part of an Intel Xeon Processor Scalable family refresh (codename: Cascade Lake). "

So no Optane for SKL X/SP

 

[TheGiant]

Sounds like a mythical/hypothetical beast on 10nm, as it stands right now CFL is just Skylake on a more refined process, plus we've seen with KBL that it'll run hot (full load) when OCed & especially with that TIM issue.

No I am not. CFL will have much better power consumption than SKL-X, and the frequency potential is there.

 

[R0H1T]

No I am not. CFL will have much better power consumption than SKL-X, and the frequency potential is there.

That's a given but then SKL-X is hardly a barometer to compare CFL, not to mention it;s HEDT. A more valid comparison would be KBL & how, I assume, you think CFL will only draw ~100W with 6 cores at 4 (or 5?) GHz.

 

[VirtualLarry]

It's time for me to scale back my builds to a less crazy level.

You don't say...

And yet, I've invested in several 6C/12T Ryzen 5 1600 rigs.

Times, they are a-changein'

 

[AdamK47]

I have VirtualLarry approval for my build. Times are indeed a-changein'.

 

[Edrick]

Both HEDT and Skylake-SP will get a refresh called Cascade Lake built on 14++ in 2018 .

https://newsroom.intel.com/news/int...pcoming-intel-xeon-processor-scalable-family/

"Intel persistent memory will be available in 2018 as part of an Intel Xeon Processor Scalable family refresh (codename: Cascade Lake). "

I guess it is safe to assume that Cascade Lake will be x299 compatible. But I was hoping that Cannon Lake (10nm) would also be compatible.

 

[witeken]

So no Optane for SKL X/SP

There are Optane SSDs.

 

[Edrick]

So no Optane for SKL X/SP

Different Technology.

 

[Edrick]

It's time for me to scale back my builds to a less crazy level. Kaby Lake X makes sense to me since it's the fastest gaming CPU. That's the majority of what my home system is now used for. Kaby Lake X on the X299 provides the best voltage support to make 5GHz all the more attainable. It provides higher memory support to make DDR4 4000 more attainable. Sure it costs more than Z2170, but then again I'm coming from a $1700 CPU and a $500 motherboard. A $350 CPU and $350 motherboard is cheap to me.

Well damn. I may have to rethink my life now.

 

[LTC8K6]

Many people have said that Kaby Lake X doesn't make sense. I didn't think it made sense either when it launched. As time progressed since launch I've been thinking about system building differently.

I've always had the best consumer Intel CPU. In recent years I've had the 980X, 3960X, 4960X, 5960X, and 6950X.

I've had crazy video card setups. In the same timeframe of those CPUs I've had three AMD 5870s in Crossfire, 3-Way GTX 480, 3-Way GTX 580, three 7970s in Crossfire, 4-Way (2) GTX 690, 4-Way GTX Titan, 4-Way GTX 980, 4-Way Titan X, 2-Way GTX 1080, 2-Way Pascal Titan X, and now 2-Way Titan Xp. Had it not been for Nvidia dropping support for 3-Way and 4-Way SLI starting with the 1080 I'd probably have four Titan Xp cards in my system right now.

I've even gone bonkers with solid state drives. The most extreme was probably having eight 512GB drives in RAID-0 (4TB) on the X79 system. It's still kinda crazy now with four 2TB drives in RAID-0 (8TB).

It's time for me to scale back my builds to a less crazy level. Kaby Lake X makes sense to me since it's the fastest gaming CPU. That's the majority of what my home system is now used for. Kaby Lake X on the X299 provides the best voltage support to make 5GHz all the more attainable. It provides higher memory support to make DDR4 4000 more attainable. Sure it costs more than Z2170, but then again I'm coming from a $1700 CPU and a $500 motherboard. A $350 CPU and $350 motherboard is cheap to me.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i7-7740x-kaby-lake-x-cpu,5107-10.html

Tom's couldn't find a difference between the 7700K and the 7740X in gaming.

 

[LTC8K6]

The features will be completely ignored by the 6C buying crowd if CFL outperforms it in games, doesn't need water cooling, consumes 30+% less power, board cost 150USD less and overclocks to ~5GHz

Not sure what that has to do with my post about market segments, but OK.

 

[LTC8K6]

No I am not. CFL will have much better power consumption than SKL-X, and the frequency potential is there.

I think we will be hard pressed to see a difference in gaming between 7700K, 7740X, and the CFL 6C/12T chip.

The 7700K remains the gaming king, with it's only challenger being another 4 core chip, the 7740X.

Unless 14nm++ is a bigger improvement than anyone expects...

 

[TheF34RChannel]

I guess it is safe to assume that Cascade Lake will be x299 compatible. But I was hoping that Cannon Lake (10nm) would also be compatible.

I don't think we'll see Cannonlake-SP either.

I think we will be hard pressed to see a difference in gaming between 7700K, 7740X, and the CFL 6C/12T chip.

The 7700K remains the gaming king, with it's only challenger being another 4 core chip, the 7740X.

Unless 14nm++ is a bigger improvement than anyone expects...

The 6C/12T will likely only show its true colours in gaming in those games that can utilise it fully. Other than that I expect the same performance as both high end KBL 4C SKUs.

 

[formulav8]

Is it expected CL is to have no cpu core enhancements besides 2 more cores?

 

[LTC8K6]

Is it expected CL is to have no cpu core enhancements besides 2 more cores?

The leaks have not reflected any single thread surprises, IIRC.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

The leaks have not reflected any single thread surprises, IIRC.

The day is still young though...