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Intel 8350k or RYZEN 1500x

Intel 8350k or RYZEN 1500x for Content creation and moderate gaming?


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vishnumvn

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I am confused on buying CPU 8350k or ryzen 1500x.

My work will be moderate gaming and lots of coding with Visual studio and android development. And little bit of photoshop and illustrator.

currently i dont own a graphics card.. My budget is around 50,000(INR)

Thanks in advance.
 

Reinvented

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So, with your budget you more than likely need to go with the Ryzen system. Especially with how the prices of memory, and GPU's still are.
 

epsilon84

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Well if you don't even own a GPU you have no choice. It has to be the 8350k
I actually voted for the 1500X but somehow missed that...

Just a word of warning to the OP that the integrated graphics on the 8350K is OK for general desktop use but very weak for gaming. It will run older games OK as well as eSports games like CS:GO and Overwatch but will turn into literally a slideshow if you try to run the latest AAA titles at anything higher than 720P minimum settings. I don't call that moderate gaming, I call that torture...
 

coercitiv

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On the Intel side the 8350K is not a good choice in terms of optimal perf/dollar. The two options you should be considering are i3 8100 and i5 8400, depending on budget.
On the AMD side the 1500X and 1600 are good alternatives.

On the GPU side I would recommend a card with 4GB of vRAM, since it will age better when using Photoshop and Illustrator in long term (short/medium term 2GB is plenty). For gaming the 1050Ti will be the best choice, but strictly for development and graphics editing anything between RX 550, RX 560, GT 1030, GTX 1050, GTX 1050Ti will work. Don't go with previous gen cards, it's not worth it.

Now, every one of the CPUs above can be ok for the tasks you are considering, so my advice would be to go for the one that properly fits the budget once other components are taken into consideration (SSD, RAM are very important). In terms of platform cost (CPU+MB) you will be looking at them like that i3 8100 < R5 1500X < R5 1600 < i5 8400.

So, recap:
1. Set money aside for a good SSD and min 16GB of RAM.
2. Choose a GPU.
3. Deduct the above from your budget and choose the highest CPU + MB combo you can afford.
4. Enjoy!
 
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On the Intel side the 8350K is not a good choice in terms of optimal perf/dollar. The two options you should be considering are i3 8100 and i5 8400, depending on budget.
On the AMD side the 1500X and 1600 are good alternatives.

On the GPU side I would recommend a card with 4GB of vRAM, since it will age better when using Photoshop and Illustrator in long term (short/medium term 2GB is plenty). For gaming the 1050Ti will be the best choice, but strictly for development and graphics editing anything between RX 550, RX 560, GT 1030, GTX 1050, GTX 1050Ti will work. Don't go with previous gen cards, it's not worth it.

Now, every one of the CPUs above can be ok for the tasks you are considering, so my advice would be to go for the one that properly fits the budget once other components are taken into consideration (SSD, RAM are very important). In terms of platform cost (CPU+MB) you will be looking at them like that i3 8100 < R5 1500X < R5 1600 < i5 8400.

So, recap:
1. Set money aside for a good SSD and min 16GB of RAM.
2. Choose a GPU.
3. Deduct the above from your budget and choose the highest CPU + MB combo you can afford.
4. Enjoy!
Pretty much this. However, I would even more strongly suggest going hex core, now that 200.00 mainstream hex cores are available. My choice would be the i5 8400 which has six real cores, and much better performance than the low base clock would suggest, since it has an all core turbo of 3.8 ghz. Problem is that availability is still sketchy, and cheap motherboards are not yet available. For Ryzen, go with the 1600 if you are willing to overclock, or the 1600x if not. As others said, the intel chips have integrated graphics, while ryzen does not, but for any kind of decent gaming, you will want to get a discrete gpu eventually. If funds are really tight though, you could get by for a while on the intel igpu and add a discrete card later. It is fine for normal use, but will limit you to older games/lower settings and resolution for gaming.
 

IRobot23

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1. R5 1600 + GTX 1060/RX 580 (maybe RX 570).

Do not spend money for 16GB of DDR4 unless you are buying at least R5 1600.
 
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slashy16

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I am confused on buying CPU 8350k or ryzen 1500x.

My work will be moderate gaming and lots of coding with Visual studio and android development. And little bit of photoshop and illustrator.

currently i dont own a graphics card.. My budget is around 50,000(INR)

Thanks in advance.
The Intel 8400 if you can get it close to MSRP. If you are unable to get the 8400 close to MSRP then get the Ryzen system.
 

prtskg

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I am confused on buying CPU 8350k or ryzen 1500x.

My work will be moderate gaming and lots of coding with Visual studio and android development. And little bit of photoshop and illustrator.

currently i dont own a graphics card.. My budget is around 50,000(INR)

Thanks in advance.
Hope you have other components as I've selected only the bare minimum.
https://www.mdcomputers.in/index.php?route=product/category_group&path=3
You can scratch hard disk from it too.
Other sites to look at -
https://www.primeabgb.com/
https://www.onlyssd.com/shop/
https://www.theitdepot.com/
 
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The AMD chip does better at other loads than gaming.
The only place the 1600 will be somewhat faster is in tasks that use more than six threads. Both chips have six real cores, so the only advantage the AMD chip has is in highly multithreaded tasks due to hyperthreading. Otherwise, in single or lightly threaded tasks, the 8400 will be as fast or faster.
 

IRobot23

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The only place the 1600 will be somewhat faster is in tasks that use more than six threads. Both chips have six real cores, so the only advantage the AMD chip has is in highly multithreaded tasks due to hyperthreading. Otherwise, in single or lightly threaded tasks, the 8400 will be as fast or faster.
And MP games like BF1.

Basically in MT R5 1600 = i7 8700 clock per clock.
 
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Glo.

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I am confused on buying CPU 8350k or ryzen 1500x.

My work will be moderate gaming and lots of coding with Visual studio and android development. And little bit of photoshop and illustrator.

currently i dont own a graphics card.. My budget is around 50,000(INR)

Thanks in advance.
Does your budget account for the prices of motherboards?

You can buy, Ryzen 5 1400, A320 Mobo, and a GTX 1050 Ti in the price of 8350K with Z370 MoBo, which are the only choice if you are going to buy Intel platform - so far.
 
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Does your budget account for the prices of motherboards?

You can buy, Ryzen 5 1400, A320 Mobo, and a GTX 1050 Ti in the price of 8350K with Z370 MoBo, which are the only choice if you are going to buy Intel platform - so far.
A more appropriate quad core Coffee Lake cpu is the i3 8100. It is available for 132.00 on new egg. You can get a z370 motherboard for around 125.00. So the total price is about 260.00.
Ryzen 5 1400 is 165.00 (with a turbo lower than the 8100 base clock) and an A320 motherboard is 50.00. So we are looking at less than 50.00 difference if one chooses more appropriate intel options.
 
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And MP games like BF1.

Basically in MT R5 1600 = i7 8700 clock per clock.
So basically, you are saying Ryzen has the same multi-threaded ipc as Coffee Lake?

Also, I have not seen any benchmarks in BF 1 multiplayer comparing the 1600 and 8400.
And MP games like BF1.

Basically in MT R5 1600 = i7 8700 clock per clock.
Got some benchmarks from reliable test sites to back up those MP gaming performance claims? I have not seen any online gaming comparisons between those two cpus. BF 1 is the poster boy for more cores, but I dont know how many other online games show the same supposed benefit. Anyway, this is a new situation, we are comparing 6 cores with better gaming performance in general to six core plus hyperthreading. Definitely not the same as the 7700k vs ryzen comparisons that have been beaten to death in these forums.
 

IRobot23

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Based on CBR15 ryzen has better(almost zero) ipc 1C/2T.

You are probably correct, yet more threads is better. WHY? Simply frametime.

Well most game scales well with tree-four threads, some will scale well over 6 threads which will be loaded to 100%.

From what I learn? More threads, better frametimes. Sometimes games pike over 50% load on 16T, yet very rarely.

SMT scales really well, compare i3 vs pentium vs i5.

In our case you can get i5 8400 4-3.8GHz or R5 1600. Lower clocks, less heat, little worse IPC (1c/1t).

My point? Currently r5 is safer bet and better option over i5 8400. Simply you can get cheaper mb and invest little more into fast ram, if you love high fps.

- ddr4 3000+
- 3.6GHz should be easy to achieve
- there are few good deals with great savings


About bf1 mp bench? will show you tomorrow.
 

tamz_msc

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If 50K INR is your total budget for the system, then almost none of the above posts above, except for coercitiv's, are giving you purchasing advice that is reflective of Indian pricing.

The best you can hope for within that budget would be a quad-core setup with 16GB memory and a decent SSD paired with a 1050Ti. Since your primary objective would be dev work, it'd make more sense to get the i3 8100, despite the fact that you'll be paying more for a Z370 board compared to the AMD path. It's better for you to choose the Intel platform for peace of mind since work is your primary goal. Depending on how long you're willing to wait(in my opinion you should for Intel to release more affordable Coffee Lake early next year) you may also want to swap out the i3 8100 for an i5 8400 down the line if it fits in your budget.
 

ZGR

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Since your primary objective would be dev work, it'd make more sense to get the i3 8100, despite the fact that you'll be paying more for a Z370 board compared to the AMD path. It's better for you to choose the Intel platform for peace of mind since work is your primary goal.
What do you mean by this?
 

epsilon84

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This thread is getting a bit off topic in the context of the OPs original question. Debating over frametimes between an i5 8400 and Ryzen 1600, really?! The OP doesn't even have the budget for a mid range GPU so whatever differences there are between these CPUs in a gaming context will be purely academic.

@frozentundra WRT to BF1 MP the only site that I know to have tested this is computerbase: https://www.computerbase.de/2017-10/intel-coffee-lake-8700k-8400-8350k-8100-test/5/

No, Ryzen doesn't equal CFL clock for clock in BF1 MP as iRobot would like people to believe. Again though, I stress that this has absolutely no bearing on the OPs situation, he/she hasn't even replied to explain what 'moderate gaming' means, honestly if it's just for CS:GO or Overwatch etc then you could just about get away with the IGP on the CFL chips.
 
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IRobot23

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If 50K INR is your total budget for the system, then almost none of the above posts above, except for coercitiv's, are giving you purchasing advice that is reflective of Indian pricing.

The best you can hope for within that budget would be a quad-core setup with 16GB memory and a decent SSD paired with a 1050Ti. Since your primary objective would be dev work, it'd make more sense to get the i3 8100, despite the fact that you'll be paying more for a Z370 board compared to the AMD path. It's better for you to choose the Intel platform for peace of mind since work is your primary goal. Depending on how long you're willing to wait(in my opinion you should for Intel to release more affordable Coffee Lake early next year) you may also want to swap out the i3 8100 for an i5 8400 down the line if it fits in your budget.
Is 16Gb of ddr4 really good deal with i3 8100?
I mean you can get 8GB + R5 1600/i5 8400 for less money.

i3 8100 + Z370? Are you kidding me? You are huge intel fanboy.
 

IRobot23

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This thread is getting a bit off topic in the context of the OPs original question. Debating over frametimes between an i5 8400 and Ryzen 1600, really?! The OP doesn't even have the budget for a mid range GPU so whatever differences there are between these CPUs in a gaming context will be purely academic.

@frozentundra WRT to BF1 MP the only site that I know to have tested this is computerbase: https://www.computerbase.de/2017-10/intel-coffee-lake-8700k-8400-8350k-8100-test/5/

No, Ryzen doesn't equal CFL clock for clock in BF1 MP as iRobot would like people to believe. Again though, I stress that this has absolutely no bearing on the OPs situation, he/she hasn't even replied to explain what 'moderate gaming' means, honestly if it's just for CS:GO or Overwatch etc then you could just about get away with the IGP on the CFL chips.
To be sure, but they had problems with ryzen systems. R5 1400 should be ahead of R3 1300X at least in BF1 MP.
You might not to believe me, but I have tested it on my own. More threads is just better when game starts to need it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E6xackvqZE

Again you guys just do not want to recommend AMD system which is clearly better choice.
OP just do not buy i3 8100 with 16GB of DDR4, i5 or R5 with 8GB would better deal. If you go with i5 remember that you have less threads.

It is your decision
, but if you want long-term investment go with R5. I mean if there would be i5 8450 @ 12T with 3,2GHz everyone would suggest i5 8450 ( for the same money).

Anyway, that depends on your deals in your country.
 
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epsilon84

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To be sure, but they had problems with ryzen systems. R5 1400 should be ahead of R3 1300X at least in BF1 MP.
You might not to believe me, but I have tested it on my own. More threads is just better when game starts to need it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E6xackvqZE

Again you guys just do not want to recommend AMD system which is clearly better choice.
OP just do not buy i3 8100 with 16GB of DDR4, i5 or R5 with 8GB would better deal. If you go with i5 remember that you have less threads.

It is your decision
, but if you want long-term investment go with R5. I mean if there would be i5 8450 @ 12T with 3,2GHz everyone would suggest i5 8450 ( for the same money).

Anyway, that depends on your deals in your country.
It's not a matter of believing you or not. I already know BF1 likes cores/threads. I upgraded from a 2500K to a 2600K and got much improved performance.

You say you have tested it on your own, what exactly have you tested? Have you run your 1600 next to a 8400 test bench to come to your conclusions? If not, then your claims about Ryzen IPC parity with CFL is just hot air, and quite frankly laughable as numerous reviews will point out that clearly isn't the case.

Just to be clear, I'm not disputing that the 1600 with its thread advantage will beat a 8400 in heavily threaded software. Not every application can take full advantage of 12 threads though, just keep that in mind.
 
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