Intel 750 PCI 400gb - want to verify speeds

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csbslu

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Hello all,

My first time here. How d'yall do?

I just popped in the 750 PCI 400gb storage (not sure if it called a HDD anymore!). I was expecting a general snappiness improvement up from my samsung ssd C drive, and it definitely has improved. I just did a fresh install of Windows 10, and ran CrystalDisk. Don't know what the rules are for posting an image and I don't know how to go about it either, so I won't show the screengrab, but the numbers stack up thus:

Seq Q32T1: 2365 MB/s (Read) - - - 1075 MB/s (Write)

Seq 1451 MB/s (Read) - - - 1048 MB/s (Write)

I installed Company of Heroes 2 and was expecting a big improvement in load times but I found they were identical to those with my Samsung ssd (I timed both of them). I followed the installation procedure to the letter, and I've made sure my BIOS supports the Intel storage (version 1401 on the X99-a Asus board) and I've updated Windows with the latest NVME drivers from the Intel website. Am I missing something? Where should I see performance improvements?

Any comments/help would be greatly appreciated!

I'm no tech wizard and I don't have a lot of experience at all this. I do however do all my research and am reasonably meticulous with processes such as my first build (this machine) etc.

I have the Samsung ssd now as a data drive and two additional internal 1TB 7200rpm WD drives.

Rest of specs are:

Asus X99-A
16Gb Corsair Veng. PC4-22400
i7 5820K 3.3GHz
Nvidia GTX970 4Gb (EVGA)

Thanks,

Chris
 
Berryracer

Berryracer

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Just updated the firmware and boot time went down from 15 seconds from the moment I see the Windows Loading icon to 8 seconds!!

This SSD on stock firmware offers horrible performance.


Instructions to update the firmware using the Intel Data Center Toolbox. (Make sure you have backed up everything just in case)

Download the Intel SSD Datacenter Toolbox


After installing the Intel Data Center Toolbox:



You need to go to the folder where you installed it, by default it will be c: \isdct




Then follow the pictures to open an admin command prompt.
















When you then have the admin command prompt open and in C: \isdtc> you just need to input the correct command to flash it.



This is the command to list the Intel SSD's connected to your system: isdct show -intelssd


To update the firmware of an eligable SSD type: isdct load -intelssd 0


Updating the SSD with controller index "0" replace "0" with the eligible number shown with the "-list" command previously that should have shown that an update is available.


Reboot once the firmware update has been done.


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csbslu

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Wow, that was quick. Are you talking about the firmware for the PCI storage itself?
 
Berryracer

Berryracer

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csbslu said:
Wow, that was quick. Are you talking about the firmware for the PCI storage itself?
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The firmware of the PCIe SSD itself.

If you see my below complaint, I have the faster 1.2TB variant of the Intel 750 PCIe SSD and while it is great in benchmarks, it felt slower than my regular SATA SSDs:

Intel 750 PCIe SSD = Worst SSD in the world!

This firmware update improves performance and especially the slow boot time issue that has been plaguing this crappy Intel SSD for long.
 
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csbslu

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Ok. Thank you very much for the info. I'll have a go at it now. Some of the forums are saying that I should not have windows installed on this ssd, that I should keep it as a data drive and run games, editing etc, off of that. What gives?
 
Berryracer

Berryracer

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csbslu said:
Ok. Thank you very much for the info. I'll have a go at it now. Some of the forums are saying that I should not have windows installed on this ssd, that I should keep it as a data drive and run games, editing etc, off of that. What gives?
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They used to say that because of the slow boot issue. But if one buys such an expensive SSD, they should be able to use it to its max potential. Luckily, you came at the end of this misery and can now update the firmware and enjoy.
 
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csbslu

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Wow. It certainly did something. It takes about 10 seconds to to get past the initial startup where you see the splash screen for the BIOS, but then it goes straight into Windows with no splash screen. Huge improvement. Thank you very much!
 
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Berryracer

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csbslu said:
Wow. It certainly did something. It takes about 10 seconds to to get past the initial startup where you see the splash screen for the BIOS, but then it goes straight into Windows with no splash screen. Huge improvement. Thank you very much!
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you posted your thread in the right time. Just before today, this SSD was the worst in my eyes. This firmware has changed it!

Enjoy bro
 
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csbslu

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Boot time is markedly improved but games don't load faster. Speed is same as with regular SSD's. I thought there would be a noticeable difference!
 
Makaveli

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csbslu said:
Boot time is markedly improved but games don't load faster. Speed is same as with regular SSD's. I thought there would be a noticeable difference!
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The bottleneck in the games loading faster isn't the storage system that is why you don't see a difference.
 
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eton975

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Think of it this way: you're loading a 1GB game. On a SATA SSD (limited to ~500MB/s), it takes 2 secs. On a PCIE SSD, it takes 0.5~1 secs, which isn't a noticeable difference.
 
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csbslu

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eton975 said:
Think of it this way: you're loading a 1GB game. On a SATA SSD (limited to ~500MB/s), it takes 2 secs. On a PCIE SSD, it takes 0.5~1 secs, which isn't a noticeable difference.
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Thanks for clarifying this!
 
VirtualLarry

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They are marketing the heck out of PCi-E NVMe SSDs, both the 750 and the Samsung M.2 drives. But in the real world, they aren't noticeably better than a good SATA6G SSD, unless you happen to be doing certain specific high-I/O-pressure workloads. The truth (and not the marketing) is that most people aren't.
 
Makaveli

Makaveli

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VirtualLarry said:
They are marketing the heck out of PCi-E NVMe SSDs, both the 750 and the Samsung M.2 drives. But in the real world, they aren't noticeably better than a good SATA6G SSD, unless you happen to be doing certain specific high-I/O-pressure workloads. The truth (and not the marketing) is that most people aren't.
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Very true Larry but you know how the general public is they get suckered into big numbers.
 
bradly1101

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Makaveli said:
lol i love how you quoted my Raid 0 setup.

Which is two old SATA II drives setup for the extra capacity more so than extra speed which is only a side benefit.
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Yes I understand for capacity, but it just cracks me up that people who understand speed as told in "the numbers" don't want to believe it can be better in the real world too, even though they have the hardware to prove it.

I haven't timed my results but after putting programs and the pagefile on a 750 my system's response feels less bottlenecked at the storage device than ever before.

When I went from a Raptor RAID0 array to a regular SSD the difference wasn't that noticeable, but this is a big difference from the spinning disks, and yes, marginal over an SATA SSD.
 
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